C4 Tonight, What Next After Lockdown?

[MynameisLuca]

Anyone watch this program?
Looks like we could be in Lockdown for months. Petty bleak.

[youngmafbog]

At some point we will have to face it head on as said above. It wont go away because we are in lock down. We either need the 'herd' immunity or a vaccination. At present the second is not an option.

Personally I firmly believe we have little choice but to identify those very high risk people and look after them whilst the rest plough on. The death rate is not actually that high, we dont have any idea of those that have had it midly and never reported it so figures being banded about are going to be on the high side. As pointed out above this suits the current mantra to keep folk indoors.

If we are not careful we will be chopping the leg off to cure the ingrowing toenail.

[Zacs-Master]

‘ little choice but to identify those very high risk people and look after them whilst the rest plough on’

But we won’t be able to. The system (NHS) will become swamped and very difficult decisions regarding those who may recover and contribute to the recovery v those who don’t will have to be made.

[youngmafbog]

So the economy tanks and there is no money to pay for the NHS then ZM?

Some hard choices are going to have to be made. Just glad I am not going to be the one making them.

[Zacs-Master]

That’s not what I said at all.
We won’t be able to look after the vulnerable if we just carry on because those who are carrying on will become ill in the tens of thousands and need looking after themselves. Doctors will then face the difficult decision of saving those who have a better chance of survival and can go on to be useful members of society when (if) this is all over.

https://www.economist.com/briefing/2020/04/02/the-tough-ethical-decisions-doctors-face-with-covid-19

[ichkeria]

At least we’ve not (yet) adopted the measures adopted by such as Spain, where you can walk your dog but not your child and where someone was fined for taking their pet crab for a walk. Sheer insanity and the figures would suggest it isn’t doing any good.
In Russia you can get a visit from the cops for taking your bin out thanks to face recognition surveillance.
In the light of that, who says the Belarus dictator is so crazy to advise saunas and vodka? (Belarus is actually taking measures - I wouldn’t be surprised if they’d managed more tests than here :-) )

[Zacs-Master]

Better link
Coronavirus: Doctors face agonising life-death decisions https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52137001

[jim360]

What happens next depends on the quality of data. Lockdown restrictions can't be eased unless and until we know who is safe and who isn't. That's likely to be at least weeks away and probably months.

[Zacs-Master]

I agree.

[royfromaus]

As it currently is the lockdown is bullcrap.
I think they held a giant tombola to see who could work and who could get money for free.

[ichkeria]

Lockdown measures will be eased as as when, and I predict an upward curve of relaxation as the government changes tack gradually while pretending it isn’t.
If we wait for the tests we’ll wait forever. I’m certainly heartily sick of the seemingly random and self contradictory claims coming from Mr Hancock and others. 10,000,000 immunity tests bought, we hear, which don’t “work properly yet”

And so on

[chrisuk013]

anyone have the link to the programme?

Thank you, hope all my fellow ABer's are safe & well.

[Mamyalynne]

This is the nearest I can find Chris, C4 site is not very user friendly.

[andy-hughes]

ichkeria - // At some point the government - and other governments - will have to weigh this cost against the cost of the disease itself. That was always the case. //

I think this is a decision that governments around the world are going to have to face - how long do you lock down a population in order to save it, when by doing so, you collapse its economy beyond the point of no return.

There has to be a balance where a loss of life, as dreadful as that is, has to be weighed against the prospects for the surviving majority.

I think there is a danger of separating the virus out as some sort of evil killer which maximises attention and headlines, whereas in fact it is a virus, and there are many viruses killing millions of people every day, and that is simply accepted as the way the world is.

If we checked the stats for deaths from pneumonia, or any other virus-driven killer in our midst, we might find they are comparable, or even greater - there has to be a true sense of perspective if we are ever to move forward as a species.

[chrisuk013]

Mamyalynne,

Many thanks.

I had the same experience with the website myself.

[Mamyalynne]

Glad to help.

I didn't watch the News special, things are changing constantly so I will continue to keep as safe as possible.
Be careful all.

[naomi24]

I haven't read the thread and I didn't watch the programme. I want to be entertained - not depressed and this constant bombardment of gloom, doom and speculation gives me, as Del Boy would say, 'the right hump'! What will be will be.

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // What will be will be. //

That infers that, as a species, we have no control over what happens.

Clearly we do have some control - not as much as we would like or need - but some control, which is better than no control, which would mean a 'what will be will be' outcome.

At the moment, we have hard decisions to make.

[iluvmargie]

Heck naomi, don't use the words 'doom and gloom', I generally get castigated for that!

[naomi24]

AH, //That infers that, as a species, we have no control over what happens.//

You’re imagining I've said something that isn’t there.

Margie, it’s one of my stock phrases these days - and very apt - in my opinion. ;o)

[iluvmargie]

And mine too.