Collateral Damage.

[10ClarionSt]

Boris the Black Knight and the other knights of his round table, must surely
have tried to anticipate the damage that lockdown would do to the country.
They must have known that businesses and jobs would be lost. Which businesses could be accepted as collateral damage? Pubs? Bars? Nail salons? Cafes? Haridressers and Barbers? He's not for budging is he? So he must have known the damage that would ensue from his govts actions. Collateral damage. You don't win wars without it.
This is Reginald Boozinget, News at Ten, Clarion St, Ancoats.

[Old_Geezer]

What damage if nothing had been done, or if restrictions are lifted too early though ?

[Mozz71]

And I'm sure the extra thousands of deaths that could of occurred without the lockdown would've been acceptable collateral damage in your opinion.

If that had happened, you'd be on here, banging your drum about why the government didn't go into lockdown. People like you just enjoy bleat about nothing.

[fiction-factory]

Some still don't get it do they

[Mozz71]

Me or him FF?

[fiction-factory]

Not you, Mozz!

[fiction-factory]

^ although your post should perhaps have said "And I'm sure the extra MANY TENS OF thousands of deaths that could (have) occurred without the lockdown..."

[Mozz71]

Glad to hear it.

//tens of thousands//

Probably, but it's all hypothetical. I'm glad we'll never know.

[CrapAtCryptics]

Regrettably jobs would have been lost and companies failed no matter who was running the country. For the moment its only those companies who were in difficulties before but it remains to be seen who will survive. i`m sure everyone supports the need for a lockdown and there are no easy answers to when that should be reduced. Knocking it off to early is quite literally gambling with lives.

[mushroom25]

on the local news last night, the MD of the local train company was explaining how difficult it will be for train operators once lockdown is eased. it's assumed that social distancing will not be eased, meaning the capacity of a 4 car train will be cut from 400+ to just 60 (15 per coach). how this will be policed, or what prioritising systems need to be in place was not explained, but it's certain ordinary joes will not be permitted to use the trains.

[Zacs-Master]

Nearly every country’s governments have take the same steps. Why single out the UK, 10Cs?

[10ClarionSt]

1918 - Spanish Flu; no lockdown. 1958/59 - Asian Flu; no lockdown. No hysteria.
People on here know everything about this situation don't they? Well, they think they do.
I've no doubt that the govt planned for "collateral damage" when making the decision to lockdown.
What do pubs and bars give you every weekend? Apart from lots of booze? Trouble. Every time. That's one thing that won't be missed with the big reduction in those places.

[fiction-factory]

Unbelievable. I just luvvvv this website.

"During the pandemic of 1918/19, over 50 million people died worldwide and a quarter of the British population were affected. The death toll was 228,000 in Britain alone...."

[Zacs-Master]

Quarantine was used in the Spanish Flu epedemic:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/03/how-cities-flattened-curve-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus/

[woofgang]

Its simple. Dead people don't go to work....don't spend money.

[10ClarionSt]

That's true about 1918 of course, but then they didn't have all the medication that we have now. Had it been available then, the figure would have been much lower.
Without the need for lockdown.
But what has been learned so far? Apart from the testing and PPE issues?
Which group of people are mixing with the public most times daily? Supermarket workers. Those companies have reported a big drop in sickness absence during the lockdown. If anyone is vulnerable, surely it's those where lots of people are passing them closely most of the day. But hey ho.

[fiction-factory]

Er- we don't have medication for Covid now either (unless you're counting disinfectant)

[fiction-factory]

So are you suggesting supermarkets should be closed too. I wouldn't disagree as I think they are an area of high risk and too many people are going for something to do or are not following the guidelines.. But wouldn't that be collateral damage to business and in terms of anyone starving?

[10ClarionSt]

The point is that we are supposed to be healthier in this day and age. Less vulnerable than in 1918. The way this govt is handling the situation, those 1918 days will be back!

[Zacs-Master]

You need to make your mind up exactly what question you want answering, 10Cs.

You’ve criticised the UK govt for their actions. I’ve pointed out that the same actions have been taken worldwide.

You tried to use the 1918 flu outbreak as some sort of crowbar to make your point. I proved that there was quarantine.

You now seem to want to make some sort bizarre unfounded point about supermarket workers. Are you now saying supermarkets should have shut because if you are, that’s the revers argument of where you started from.

Maybe go have a lie down for a while, eh?

[10ClarionSt]

No. I definitely am not! What I'm saying is there should be no lockdown and the focus should be on those that the govt knows are vulnerable. Their own spokesman last week (BBC News) said that 91% of deaths from CV-19 have been people with one, or a combination of, heart disease, diabetes and dementia. The only thing that the govt has told people is to stay in