Land Of The Free......think We've Got Problems?

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/gun-laws-more-than-700-people-shot-dead-in-the-us-since-the-texas-school-shooting-12629378
700 dead since the Texas School in 43 of the 50 states. Is the US broken beyond repair?

[Ellipsis]

Yep, guns are in their DNA.

[ToraToraTora]

It's not just the guns though is it, what's going through their heads? Take away guns there are still plenty of weapons to kill with, this is more than that.

[Ellipsis]

No, I think take away the guns (impossible) and there wouldn't have been 700+ fatal stabbings in the last couple of weeks.

[youngmafbog]

Hmm, I think a breakdown of the causes is required before any comment can be made.

The US has a problem sure, but without the cause (and what weapon was used and why) who knows whether or not people wold have been killed anyway by another method if guns were not available. For instance for the street/gang fights a knife or car (Same for domestic deaths)

As I have said before, rather than the focus on guns (political) the USA needs to focus on why so many deaths happen and why.

[ToraToraTora]

Fair enough guns do make it easier to kill.

[youngmafbog]

//No, I think take away the guns (impossible) and there wouldn't have been 700+ fatal stabbings in the last couple of weeks.//

You have no way of knowing this, and knives are not the only tool that can be used.

[Ellipsis]

> You have no way of knowing this

That's why I said "I think". It's moot because the guns can't be taken away anyway.

[Spicerack]

Good idea. Take away all the legal registered guns from the mainly decent people and only the criminals will have them.
They have more weapons per head in Canada, Switzerland I think and probably others that don't have the US murder rate.
The enormous disparity in wealth probably doesn't help. Ditto, the nasty identity politics.

[FatticusInch]

On another thread we get:
ToraToraTora
// "ovarian cancer affects the 2 small organs (ovaries) that store the eggs needed to make babies" - you couldn't make it up!//

Yet on here we get.
ToraToraTora
//Fair enough guns do make it easier to kill.//

You really could not make it up.
Read it while you can folks, the moderation here this morning is particularly robust and this’ll disappear.

[ToraToraTora]

finally some mods who can spot trolling.

[FatticusInch]

ToraToraTora
//finally some mods who can spot trolling.//

Or decimate a thread and so discourage AB users from posting.
Catch you later.

[tomus42]

It's a combination of whatever is going on in their heads combined with easy access to guns.

A change to one or both of those would mean a reduction in the murder rate, but I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for either.

[youngmafbog]

tomas, 400 million guns (estimated) in the USA. I have asked before and never received a proper answer but lets go again:

How would you get rid of them?

[youngmafbog]

Ellipsis 10:02, Sorry didn't read it correctly :-(

[beso]

The underling problem is their culture has always glorified violence.

[TantP]

Yes, the USA is broken beyond repair. Things that they take for granted on a daily basis would shock here. However, its not our problem so why waste time in conjecture. Guns do not kill. Lay six guns on a table they will remain 'safe' for years as long as a human is not put anywhere near them. What I mean is that education, coupled with creating greater difficulty in procuring a rifle or shotgun, and a total ban on semi-automatic weapons would be a start. This will never happen in the USA they are doomed.

[FatticusInch]

youngmafbog
//tomas, 400 million guns (estimated) in the USA. I have asked before and never received a proper answer but lets go again:

How would you get rid of them?//

It’d take time, granted but I believe I read somewhere recently about a government buy-back scheme? May have even been used by the Aussies too after Port Arthur?

[youngmafbog]

So all the criminals - and those living out of cities will hand them back? And that ignores those normally law abiding citizens that would feel very threatened by not having a gun when criminals do.

Your having a giraffe.

TantP has good points.

[ToraToraTora]

the problem is that if you outlaw guns, the only people with guns will be outlaws. I don't know what the answer is but it's not just the availability of guns, they are the tool that makes killing easier but what makes them tick why do they kill each other so readily? As YMB said more analyses would help about the circumstances. Also they should really start to analyse the mind set of those like the school shooter. What makes an 18 year old so angry to do that? what is it about US society that is failing these kids?

[FatticusInch]

youngmafbog
//So all the criminals - and those living out of cities will hand them back? And that ignores those normally law abiding citizens that would feel very threatened by not having a gun when criminals do.

Your having a giraffe.//

Just answering your question. As I said, it’ll take time but you’ve got to start somewhere.
As for the giraffe quip, ask yourself why there’s been no mass shooting in Australia since the legislation that was introduced after the Port Arthur Massacre some 26 years ago?
Or give us a solution of your own?