Film Set Shooting......live Ammo....why?

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/prosecutors-deny-claim-that-authorities-destroyed-gun-in-rust-movie-set-shooting-12830030
what I just don't get is, how is it even possible? Surely they use prop guns that don't fire anyway.

[Zacs-Master]

More background here (even though it is The DM):
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11711529/Rust-armorer-Hannah-Gutierrez-Reeds-lawyer-claims-stretched-thin.html

[Buenchico]

Adding in the muzzle flash using CGI costs a great deal of money, which many movies don't have the budgets for. Further, many actors find difficulty in faking the recoil from a non-firing gun. So it's simpler to use real guns, while ensuring
(a) that no live ammunition is ever on the set ; and
(b) that everyone on the set knows the risks that are still present when using blank ammunition.

Summarised from here:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/22/business/prop-guns-baldwin-shooting.html

[ToraToraTora]

sorry can't read that without subscribing chris.

[Buenchico]

Try this:
https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/movies/are-real-guns-still-used-film-sets-wake-rust-shooting-future-question-rcna3739

[piggynose]

is this another story, or the same alex baldwin story?

[nero2024]

same

[piggynose]

so going over old ground? or has there been some new evidence?

[chelle7272]

It shouldn't be possible, hence the prosecutions.

[ToraToraTora]

Piggy feel free to ignore if you don't want to discuss. I was trying to get a deeper understanding of why the incident was even possible, is that alright by you? ....and yes it is news.

[ToraToraTora]

it's not in news anyway! It's a legit subject for this section.

[Zacs-Master]

Pressure of work on the armaments person due to a 'gun heavy' set seems to be the defences argument.

[andy-hughes]

I can understand the use of real guns for the effectiveness of the film.

But I cannot understand why live ammunition would ever be brought onto a film set - and clearly this tragedy is a good reason to question that procedure.

[Zacs-Master]

'clearly this tragedy is a good reason to question that procedure'

As there have been 1000s of films made without incident, I'm not sure that's a valid argument.

[THECORBYLOON]

"The Associated Press determined that, since 1990, at least 43 people have died on sets in the U.S. and more than 150 have been left with life-altering injuries, numbers derived by combing through data from workplace and aviation safety investigations, court records and news accounts. And those figures almost certainly don’t tell the entire story: The AP found several instances in which major accidents either weren’t reflected in investigation records or did not appear in an Occupational Safety and Health Administration database of the most serious set accidents."

[THECORBYLOON]

That figure isn't only shooting deaths,

https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-ap-top-news-us-news-business-movies-2dfb6c787f2249529ae04c9443828a7f

[piggynose]

Firstly ttt take a chill pill, can't do cpr on ab.
Didn't this tragedy occur about 2 years ago?

[ToraToraTora]

piggy: "Firstly ttt take a chill pill, can't do cpr on ab.
Didn't this tragedy occur about 2 years ago? " - yes it did and the battle of hastings took place in 1066, what's your point? This ain't news I want to discuss an aspect of the movie business that is currently going through the courts in the US. Now what's your problem with that?

[naomi24]

// I cannot understand why live ammunition would ever be brought onto a film set - and clearly this tragedy is a good reason to question that procedure. //

I'm pretty sure it's not a 'procedure'. Someone brought live ammunition on to the set but not legitimately.

[piggynose]

So i was OOO, apologies! It's
seems that this case is far from over!
I'll watch this space!

[piggynose]

15.55 this was for my old china 'ttt'