The Destruction Of T V By T R O B......

[ToraToraTora]

just watch the OFAH episode..."Who's a pretty Boy" can someone tell me why this was cut out? Right at the start Del walks into the Nags head and sees Ranjet, an indian, he says: " Saw your Mrs in the market, she's got a nasty spot on her forehead!" - they both burst into laughter. Whole line cut, why? This madness is destroying the classics.

[Old_Geezer]

The discussion is about imposed censorship on the majority not whether some individual has access to original material. Plus the censorship (which one might argue ought not be applied anyway) is removing items/words that any reasonable person ought not object to; thus spoiling the broadcast, using the invalid justification that they know what the majority public want so they will impose their mistaken view and folk can lump it. Which, as has been inplied earlier, can not be true for they allow attempts to manipulate society's view by screening situations many feel should be private and not broadcast, or skew the ratios of particular groups in the name of diversity, so it is clear it isn't the public majority view that is upheld at all, but the view of those in power to make the decisions being pushed.

The obvious solution is for those involved in such censorship to realise it isn't their right to dictate to the other adults and to keep their noses out.

[ToraToraTora]

bang on OG.

[Zacs-Master]

‘ removing items/words that any reasonable person ought not object to’

‘Reasonable person’ is a strange phrase to use. Does this cover anyone of colour who might be offended by the comment about a red spot on a Hindu, Jain, Buddhist, or Sikhs person’s head?
A bindi (red dot) is a fairly important religious symbol so it’s conceivable that a BAME person could find a joke about it pretty offensive. Or do you not consider this worthy of consideration?

[ToraToraTora]

In my experience ZM they supposed "victim" of the ism is rarely offended by a sit com line. Those taking offence will almost always be trobiscites taking offence on behalf of the group they think might be offended.

[sp1814]

Only Fools and Horses?

Is that forty year old programme still being shown?

Blimey!

TV isn't being destroyed in any way. We're living in the middle of the greatest period of TV comedy and drama.

Comedies like Camping, Hunderby, South Park, Veep, Curb Your Enthusiasm, The Thick of It, Family Guy, American Dad could NEVER have been shown in the early 80s...audiences would never accept them - despite how great every single one of those shows are.

Times change.

There are comedies from the 70s and 80s with lines that are deemed by producers as unacceptable.

There are comedies like those above that contain lines that would be completely unacceptable to older people.

[ToraToraTora]

eg When Ron Atkinson got into hot water for calling Desailly a lazy n****r there were ructions and when they asked Desailly himself about it he just said something like "ah just Ron being Ron" - all the Trobiscites were having kittens!

[ToraToraTora]

sp1814: "Is that forty year old programme still being shown?" - every day on UK Gold and in a lot of countries world wide. In Serbia they say their English speakers learnt English from Del boy so a common Serbian phrase is "lovely jubbly"!

[ToraToraTora]

not only is it shown all over the world, other countries have also made their own versions using the original scripts! I've seen the Spanish and the US versions!

[sp1814]

webbo

I challenge that assumption that "Todays young audience find everything offensive". Please check out the episode of Veep where Selina (Vice President of the USA) finds out someone in her staff has called her the 'c' word.

It's genuinely hilarious but in a million years I wouldn't watch it in front of my mum.

[ToraToraTora]

sp: "comedies like Camping, Hunderby, South Park, Veep, Curb Your Enthusiasm, The Thick of It, Family Guy, American Dad could NEVER have been shown in the early 80s...audiences would never accept them - despite how great every single one of those shows are. " - I like Curb and Veep and TTOI but why would they not have been shown in the 80s?

[THECORBYLOON]

TORATORATORA, "In my experience ZM they supposed "victim" of the ism is rarely offended by a sit com line."

What experiences of yours is your claim based upon?

[Oldandconfused]

I just googled 'trobiscites' and it appears to exist only on this site.
Can someone please enlighten me as to what it is.

As for the subject being discussed - those old programs that were funny in their heyday are now frankly embarrassing.

[sp1814]

TTT

UK Gold?

Okay...I've just looked that up. But don't you like new comedies? I mean, I thought The Young Ones and Blackadder were flipping HILARIOUS when I was a kid, but that was then - the thing about comedy is that there's always something new and great.

Motherland, Schitt's Creek, Barry...

It's like listening to music. You may enjoy Tapestry and listen to it from time to time, but not to the exclusion of amazing new music!

[naomi24]

//‘Reasonable person’ …. it’s conceivable that a BAME person could find a joke about it pretty offensive.//

A reasonable person, of whatever colour or creed, would laugh because the joke is actually on Del Boy and his ignorance. Similarly with Alf Garnet, Rigsby, etc, We laughed at THEM. A French lady of my axcquaintance used to get very upset by 'Allo 'Allo because such was her penchant for bristling huffily at any perceived insult, she failed to recognise that all nationalities involved were being ridiculed. In her head it was just the French - Rene & Co being lead characters - and French. The moral of this story, I suppose, is what's in your head isn’t necessarily what's happening.

[Old_Geezer]

Of course it is nothing to object to Zacs. Only those lacking a sense of humour would choose to take offence at red spot jokes (obviously depending on the actual joke of course).

[sp1814]

TTT

" but why would they not have been shown in the 80s?"

Swearing. Malcolm Tucker on TTOI could *never* have made it to the screen in the 80s.

Same with Veep: https://tinyurl.com/y6c6r5xv

I even had to shorten the URL as it was completely sweary.

[ToraToraTora]

sp: "Okay...I've just looked that up. But don't you like new comedies?" - of course I do, I already said I like Curb, Veep, TTOI etc. I also like Silicon Valley, the cockfields, The Big Bang theory. In fact I give every single sit com a chance. I don't dismiss anything without watching at least one episode, usually more.

[ToraToraTora]

sp: "It's like listening to music. You may enjoy Tapestry and listen to it from time to time, but not to the exclusion of amazing new music! " - well there is very little "amazing new music" but I will confess to a recent discovery that I like Lady Gaga! I watched her excellent performance with Bradley Cooper in a star is born and it surprised me. Up to then I'd always though music died in the 90s!

[retrocop]

Oh dear!

[naomi24]

//the thing about comedy is that there's always something new and great. //

Really? The joke deemed the best at this year's Edinburgh Festival is ....

“I started dating a zookeeper, but it turned out he was a cheetah . . .”

Don't split your sides.