R N L I - They've Got A Cheek...

[ToraToraTora]

Just seen their ad asking for money to be left in wills. Well I used to give money to this shower. Now they are are the main importers of illegal immigrants. They go out to find them and ferry them back. They'll get sweet FA from me.

Don't get me started on the border farce......

[THECORBYLOON]

TORATORATORA, "the fact that they are at sea means that they are in need of "rescue" even though they are not actually sinking, right oh!"

Are you now claiming the RNLI should assist folk on vessels only if those vessels are actually in the process of sinking?

 

[THECORBYLOON]

TORATORATORA, 'it seems many on here disagree with that, and seem to believe anyone non-British should be left to drown.// - stop it with the spin. No one has said that'

In response to being asked, "Would you rather see the boat people drown than be rescued?"

SK posted, "drowned everytime.   ssave a burden on us"

[ynnafymmi]

But TCL,why dont they just return them to France.Arent there a French version of RNLI to take them back to France?

[THECORBYLOON]

They would need the permission of the French authorities to do that and I doubt it would be given.

[Barmaid]

That's a weird kind of logic to say that because they are not sinking, they are not in danger.  If a pleasure cruiser loses power in the middle of the channel but could make port under sail but for the storm that is forecast are they in need of rescue?  Two teenagers out on a jolly in a perfectly seaworthy rowing boat get swept out to sea, no danger?

I would guess that a rescue where a vessel sinking/people in the water has not occurred is less hazardous for the rescuers.  That must be a significant factor.  And I doubt that any of the volunteers who signed up to save lives could stand idly by and watch as a boat sank and watch people drown.

No, TTT, they are not assisting the criminals, they are saving lives.  Those who profit from this will have been long gone.  The criminals care not what happens once that boat has left.  And those who criminally try to enter the UK are handed to the authorities.  You can twist my words to fit any argument you like but it is very disappointing that someone of your obvious intelligence blames an organisation who exist for humanitarian purposes for the current influx.

In 2022, the RNLI saved 108 lives from these channel crossings, that was about a fifth of the total lives they saved.  Those 108 will have been handed over directly to the authorities. There will be 1000s of others that slip in completely unnoticed and disappear the moment they hit dry land which is the other side of the coin.

[ynnafymmi]

Yes,TCL,and we all know why that permission wouldnt be given.The French dont want these chancers anymore than we do.Is there a French version of the RNLI by the way,why arent they picking up these"refugees"?

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Barmaid

\\In 2022, the RNLI saved 108 lives from these channel crossings, that was about a fifth of the total lives they saved.  Those 108 will have been handed over directly to the authorities.//

They brought them here, why not take them back to France which is where they came from, and why, if they have £5k in their pockets to pay the traffickers why don't they go to the ferry port or the airport which is safer and cheaper

[Peter Pedant]

That's a weird kind of logic to say that because they are not sinking, they are not in danger. 

Logic weird or otherwise doesnt really find a home on AB.

 

[THECORBYLOON]

I wonder if TORATORATORA expects any swimmers on board a vessel in danger to at least make an attempt to swim to safety?

[youngmafbog]

I see the TROB are alive and kicking on this one.

I wouldnt donate the the RNLI either, it's a hotbed of right-on leftyism.  Only papers in reception are The Guardian and the Independant, a creche in the middle of an open plan office, hap-hazzard hours to suit the worker not their collegues or the charity. And yes I've been in their HO, it's down the road.

The big problem is the disparity between those that do and those that just hang on.  And this has been in the press regulalry.

[ToraToraTora]

barmaid: "In 2022, the RNLI saved 108 lives from these channel crossings, that was about a fifth of the total lives they saved." - but a single boat full can be over 50, they drop at least one boat full off every day. You mean 108 real cases?

[THECORBYLOON]

"Our crews launched 290 times to suspected Channel crossings in 2022 which equates to 3% of the total number of launches for the entire RNLI. During those shouts our volunteer crews saved the lives of 108 people."

The lives saved were those making the Channel crossings.

Do you not bother properly reading the links you post?

[Barmaid]

I researched the figures and it said 108 lives were saved as a result of 290 call outs in 2022.  I can say no more than that.

I get, I really do get, the concern about illegal immigrants.  Those who are not genuine refugees should be dealt with quickly and sent away.  That is not the fault of the RNLI.

Of the many thousands who do manage to get here unnoticed some will disappear into fenland gangs picking veg, nail bars, hand car washes, delivery firms, taxi firms and many other businesses which appear to have a legitimate facade.  Others will disappear into family groups already here.  I absolutely get that those here illegally should be dealt with quickly.  During the war we managed to ensure that small boats did not land on our shores and the occupants disappear so I am not sure why it is so difficult now.

I do not know if you are referring to me as part of TROB, YMB - however, if it makes me a TROB in your view because I prefer not to see people drowned; or because I support the brave men and women who do something I could never do and they do it without fear or favour; or because a charity has saved over 500 lives in a year and probably many more through education, I'll take that.  

[ynnafymmi]

Surely there is a French variation of the RNLI?It seems to lie with us Brits to look after these chancers?

[ynnafymmi]

But why doesnt the RNLI not take back these"refugees"to their point of departure,Barmaid.TCL said they wouldnt accept them back.Why the hell should we?

[Barmaid]

I do not know the answer to that.  But googling I found:-  "This is simply not viable without political agreement because UK vessels would need permission to enter French waters as they are no longer conducting ‘innocent passage’ under UN Convention on Law of the sea (UNCLOS) rules."

From this website:  http://www.navylookout.com/why-its-not-the-royal-navys-job-to-stop-migrant-boats/#:~:text=This%20is%20simply%20not%20viable,the%20sea%20(UNCLOS)%20rules.

[Mozz71]

A good question YMB. The fact remains the the RNLI has no jurisdiction in French waters so have no power to return them. Sounds to me your ire should be directed at the French, not at the RNLI.

[Mozz71]

From Google:

The Royal National Lifeboat Institution (RNLI) is marking its 200th anniversary today. The lifesaving charity has released new figures showing its volunteer lifeboat crews and lifeguards have saved 146,277 lives in the UK and Ireland during its two centuries of lifesaving — an average of two lives saved every day for 200 years.

146,277 lives. Under .001% have been illegals.

[Barmaid]

If you feel really strongly about it, complain to the Charity Commission.  They regulate charities.  If you are of the view that they are assisting criminals, make a formal complaint.

[THECORBYLOON]

The French equivalent of the RNLI is Société Nationale de Sauvetage en Mer (SNSM).