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sandyRoe | 09:05 Sat 21st Sep 2024 | ChatterBank
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... Jonathan Miller talking about the works of Gilbert and Sullivan.

He didn't think much of them apart from The Mikado.

Was he setting the bar too  high?  I don't suppose they thought themselves in the same league as Shakespeare.

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no - did Shakespeare write musicals?

like saying Arsenal aren't in the same league at the Harlequins🤣

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With the masques in some of his dramas he might have been moving towards musicals.

Had he lived longer who knows where his muse might have lead him?

Gilbert and Sullivan brought & still brings more joy into Britain than Jonathan Miller ever did.

When I was a lad I served a term
As office boy to an Attorney's firm.
I cleaned the windows and I swept the floor,
And I polished up the handle of the big front door.
(He polished up the handle of the big front door.)
I polished up that handle so carefully
That now I am the Ruler of the Queen's Navy!
(He polished up that handle so carefullee,
That now he is the ruler of the Queen's Navee!)

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Monteverdi did the first opera 1598 - Masques, were [art of the downfall of Charles I as they were intended as spectacle, had a few words and involved the King and Queen mincing around in expensive cozzies - he borrowed lulu to put them on ( the masque not the cozzie)

G and S is NOT opera - - operetta. The words are spoken rather than sung in recitative ( yes that is ressit-tat-teev) - even stuff like " do you want a flat white?" " yes please"

He also writes in forms that opera do NOT have - there is a spoof going the rounds in G+S style, a patter song. these were very popular in Music Halls, 1800-1900 ( I am the model of a modern major general)

Music Hall songs ( 3 mins) cd if the audience were charmed, last up to 15 mins, along with dialog - ALbert Finney reconstructs one, as his g-f was a music hall arteest.

Mikado, three little girls was based on a 17 syllable haiku but They werent looked on as cultural leaders

Had he lived longer who knows where his muse might have lead him?

well Ben Jonson lasted until 1636 - His last play - The Magic Lady - everyonne expressed suprise that he was still alive

oh, and G B Shaw thought of himself as good as or better than Shakey....incredz now...

A significant number of people "don't think much of" Jonathan Miller.

there was a cruel spitting image sketch

"and next week Jonahthan Miller will be talking bolllox with...."

He was OK - cdnt decide if he was a doctor or an impresario

he did create the modern Mikado, though, with Eric Idle and his little list

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Also a very good Alice in Wonderland.

apols, that's not Idle at all. I did see him as Koko in an earlier season of the Miller production.

So did I, Canary, and very good he was too.  We used to get G&S on TV and one point.. I remember Joan Sims as The Fairy Queen in Iolanthe as a starter. They hammed up the already comic operettas. Brill.  I wish the Beeb would repeat them (I think they were on the Beeb) instead of endless antique repeats.

jourdain:  Have you tried YouTubes ? I just had a quick look and found this straight away 

 

I hadn't thought of YouTube, Khandro, thank you. :)

jourdain : If you don't have YouTube Premium I can recommend it for just £12 a month to watch a vast array of films, music and documentaries advert free on your TV or computer.  

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