Right & Wrong

[JohnDTC]

If there is no point to life, i.e. we just die & thats it, is there actually such thing as right & wrong? is morality just relative to that which benefits humans -i.e. behaviour which is detrimental to the majority's well-being/survival is usually regarded as wrong. If you dont believe in god why should stick to the moral code that runs through human society?

[keenu]

Actually there is a point to life, we don't just die, but you are right in entertaining the idea that there is actually no such thing as right and wrong.  Morality IS relative to the current worldview held by humanity.  Now, my saying that there is a point to life is NOT inplying that there is a god.  We are and that is that.  We create our own reality and all is NOW.  All is relative to the individual.  Our reality is relative and unique to each one of us.  We just have to have agreed-upon rules by which to function on earth and in society.

Stand and be true,

keenu (Patty)

[tartanwiz]

As Dostoyevsky put it : 'If God does not exist, everything is permitted'.  I agree with Dostoyevsky.  If there is no God, who is to say what's right and wrong?

[JOEYSHABADO]

The code of right and wrong that God put in our eternal souls when he created Adam and Eve.

[sunflower68]

When Billy Connolly was funny he had a great rambling anecdote about life which ended somewhere along the lines of "all we're REALLY here for is to have babies and look after the place" which I loved.

[Hamish]

I didn't quiet get you Keenu, What is the point to life? What is reality relative to? and if we don't just die what happens?

[El D]

Yes - we cannot possibly say what is right or wrong. . . heaven forbid we take responsibility.

[milly143]

Life is what you make of it - why make it hard for yourself by abandoning any moral codes.

[Mowbray]

I think life is about achieving what you want to achieve.  Being nice and respecting one and other.

Life is what you want it to be - as long as you're happy and you're not harming anyone.

LOL :-)

[KittyGlitter]

Perhaps it's biological to have a moral code, so that the human race keeps going? I think we have a human instinct to take care of ourselves and each other, regardless of laws or religion. I believe humans evolve to make their existence more harmonious because we all want to be happy and to provide a safe environment for our children. And how could we be happy with a constant fear of being murdered/robbed/attacked/raped etc. I think religion only plays a small part in morality and it also plays a part in human suffering.

[Little Lady]

Good question and it has briught up many different views and beliefs. For me i believe we are here to experience and keep on expereincing life in many different ways, i don't believe in right and wrong as many peoples rights and wrongs are different from the next its more what works and what doesn't for me. Morals seem to have been out in place to control more than anything, i have read a fair few books on this sort of stuff and it it seems from these that religion was put there to control people with fear etc, not every part of any religion but it is how it keeps people worshipping for that religion it seems sometimes though not all, I always find putting anything down about religion and beliefs opens up the biggest can of worms as if you believe in something you live it so there seems so much controversy as everyone obviously has there own beliefs and wont be told otherwise which is fair enough but what if we were to expand on what we know so keeping what we already believe and expanding on that and being more open minded to other beliefs not necesseraly(sorry spelling is bad) changing your own but expanding them? We are so controllled in this world mostly by religion, beliefs and money, we dont seem to get much of a say in things these days. also just to point out i know this may upset some but if god wrote the bible or whoever then why are there over so many thousand different versions all slightly different which one is the so called right one?

I think we should hold your beleifs up to the light and scruntise them, showing up if they don't add up. We have moved on as a human race but our age old religions havent, some of the things written in each religions book could not be put into everyday life now so why can't we expand on our beliefs and religions? Where is the proof of who wrote any religious book?

[purification]

religion or right and wrong blah de blah.....If I thought I lived my life just to die, that the in between was just passing time, christ what a morbid person I'd be!

What ever the reason may be ....we're here, whatever started the human race, we're here!  There are hundreds of possibilities out there, you can make your life whatever you want it to be!

As for sticking to the "moral code"  whether there's truth in religion or not, our society is such now that "religious codes" have been replaced by soceities codes, such as the law system. Despite what happens to us when we die, when you do wrong now, whilst you live, you hurt other people and you will be punished (didn't mean that to sound so harsh!!!) You will mess up a life that you could make so perfect for yourself.

Live life like you don't get second chances, treat others like you'd want to be treated, live each day like it's your last, because it may just be!!! Do something amazing with your life so that when you get to the end of your time, you know in your heart that whatever the purpose you are here for or where we go too, that You did it all, you did all you wanted! You took all that life had to offer!

I know.... I sound corny, like some special greetings card :) hee and I've mainly repeated what everyone else has said but I had to put my two pence worth in!

[JOEYSHABADO]

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[landie]

Moral codes have developed over the millennia as a means to guide and protect people at large. The world wouldn't be much of a place if anarchy ruled and it wasn't safe for adults or children to be on the street. Not that there would be any streets in the first place (who's going to build and maintain them?).

[JOEYSHABADO]

RE: the wording of the question. I don't think morality does or ever will provide the meaning of life, if ethical values turn out to be relative, it does not follow that life is meaningless.

[keenu]

I believe that the point of physical life is to learn that we create our own reality.  That would imply that reality is relative to the individual.  I do not believe in a god but in the creative consciousness, of which all of us are a part.  Threr well may have been men who were looked upon as gods in the distant past and this has been confused into the current concept of god.  But that's another story!  Think about the fact that all time is NOW when you think about death.  In essence, we are already dead.  All happens in the eternal NOW.  This should be a very comforting thing to learn.

[Hamish]

so Keenu, having learnt the point that the point of life is to learn, there is no longer a point to life.

[purification]

Hamish: that would be true if the point in life was to only learn the point in life....... rather then to learn! There's plenty more out there to learn!

[Hamish]

hi Purification, my question was in responce to Keenus post which says that the point of life is to learn that we create our own reality. Therefore having learnt that there is not point to life.

Re the point of life is to learn, why? we die and the experiance is lost. Perahpse some knowledge is passed on but so what?