The Truth About Hiv

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08rvdwp/the-truth-about-14-hiv

Yet another wonderful program from the Beeb !

[EDDIE51]

Did it say that Hiv was originally spread by homosexual men having anal sex with monkeys in central Africa?
That was what was being given as a reason when it first became a problem in the late 1970s but it was subsequently denied as 'anti gay propaganda'

[mikey4444]

No, it didn't Eddie. The program estimated that the HIV virus originated in Africa, from Chimps, but that the cross infection probably came from the butchering of Chimps. for human consumption.

[douglas9401]

Eddie, having seen the reaction when trying to retrieve an object from a recalcitrant monkey, I imagine anyone trying to *** penetrate said beast would find themselves coming up short, as it were.
Or have I missed the point that your monkeys are gay too?

[EDDIE51]

^ That does not explain why at least in the beginning it affected almost exclusively gay men!

[mikey4444]

Dougie...that point was made very well last night ! Chimps have very large teeth and I am not sure that they would take kindly to being used as a love object !

[douglas9401]

Oh, I thought you were being whimsical Edward.
I see I have mistaken wilful ignorance for dark humour.

[anneasquith]

No Eddie it did not, the first infection to affect man was from blood from chimpanzees.

[mikey4444]

Eddie....gay men tend to favour anal sex, and its this habit that is most risky when it comes to be being liable to a blood infection.

HIIV loves blood...it is its favourite way of progressing !

I have also seen many references to the spread of HIV in sub-Saharan countries, as anal sex is used a method of birth control by heterosexual couples.

Sorry this thread has taken a downward dive !

But watch the program on the iplayer...its well worth it !

[EDDIE51]

Douglas back in the 1980s it was widely reported even on TV and in the newspapers that the reason for the spread of HIV was that homosexual European and American men were having anal sex with monkeys in central/east africa. It was later denied as just 'anti gay' propaganda. Another reason given was that 'male gay sex' was also extremely promiscuous, with most men having many partners and often having sex without even leaning their partner's names.

[Sqad]

" but that the cross infection probably came from the butchering of Chimps. for human consumption."
mikey, I didn't see the programme.
Do you mean that the blood of the chimps transmitted the virus to the "butchers.?" OR
Do you mean that infection was passed to humans via eating infected chimp meat?
If it is the latter, then i would question that, as the stomach acid is almost an instant killer for HIV.
If it is the former, then that is quite interesting.

[Old_Geezer]

Downward dive ? It's reached rock bottom !

[-Talbot-]

I love the way mikey is so tolerant of EDDIES first answer. Let us imagine AOG saying the same thing ... would he have received the same level of response?

[-Talbot-]

What sort of monkeys were these men having anal sex with EDDIE?

[-Talbot-]

Oh crap divebuddy has ruined it :0/

[Peter Pedant]

// I have also seen many references to the spread of HIV in sub-Saharan countries, as anal sex is used a method of birth control by heterosexual couples. //

no complete crap
even at the time this was being er peddled
the subsaharan countries were saying
nope the men go at it like bunny rabbits willy nilly

and it was accepted that there were other ways of transmission only very very reluctantly- the rarity of heterosexual tranmission in Northern coutntries then had to be explained
keeping their pants on ? ( unlike Trump hur hur hur)
no lack of genital ulceration......
well you did ask

[mikey4444]

Sqad...the former I seem to remember !

The techies in the program identified HIV as being very close to viruses that are normally only seen in apes and monkeys.
( is that plural correct ? )

But the part of the program that was most interesting, and worrying in equal degrees, was the situation in South Africa.

It is estimated that there are over 7 million people there infected with HIV.

[EDDIE51]

Talbot if you remember the early 1980s you will also remember that as I said, it was very widely reported that the spread of HIV was due to men having anal sex with monkeys. I am just wondering what happened to change that opinion!

[mikey4444]

Eddie...I would imagine that the change is down to good scientific research and practise.