Another Posing Question Sorry. Confused ? I Am .

[johnny.5]

If a conservative MP who has an obligation to his constitute and this constitute voted by a majority to remain and have also indicted through their local office that they do not want a no deal brexit at any cost
How should the MP vote in the house regarding brexit ?
with their party or with the people which put him in office ?
and if they were to be expelled from the party as threatened . who would represent tories at an election if one were called and could these MPs join another party at short notice and then oppose the Tories ?

[jim360]

Answer to the first question depends on which side of the debate you're on. I shouldn't be surprised if a Leave supporter on AB suggests that it doesn't matter if the constituency were Leave or Remain -- the vote "settled" that issue.

For the second question: MPs who are deselected would presumably just be replaced with other candidates. It will be interesting to see how many deselections actually take place, and how many of those seats are contested by the deselected ex-Tories -- and how many of those ex-Tories retain their seat. Yet another factor that makes predicting the next election result even more impossible than usual.

[pixie374]

Yes, lol. The leave part is decided. An MP should vote for whichever way to leave they think is best. To try to avoid it completely is just damaging for everyone.

[Old_Geezer]

Since the issue was decided nationwide and not per constituency then morally they are obliged to support the national decision in that case. Party, personal opinion, nor constituents view has no relevance. Only the national decision. Unless they admit they have no respect for democracy, in which case they're unfit to be a politician.

Expelled party members can stand as independents, or try to join another who likes non-democrats, but their original party simply appoints a new candidate to represent them at the next election.

[jim360]

Tomorrow's vote (which we still don't even know if it's going to happen yet anyway) merely kicks the can down the road for another few months, so it still doesn't avoid Brexit completely. To be sure you'd then more or less expect the same thing to happen again in January 2020, April 2020, September 2020, February 2021... ad nauseam, but only cancelling A50 notification avoids it completely.

[jim360]

What is the point of having constituencies, then?

When does Brexit stop being about Brexit and start being more about the function and make-up of Parliament?

[pixie374]

Once it is sorted, Jim. This is clearly the priority- and I am sure that leavers have had easily as much delaying as they can stomach, as remainers have.

[ToraToraTora]

the referendum is UK wide, not by constituency, all MPs have a duty to implement as promised.

[Old_Geezer]

The point of having constituencies is to have a candidate that represents the majority view of that constituency with regards to matters that haven't gone nationwide with public opinion seeking. Because only the constituency view should be known; not that, even that is bothered to be checked most times. But for bread & butter, day to day, low controversy subjects, this is less of a problem.

[ToraToraTora]

jim: "What is the point of having constituencies, then? " - seriously? have you been hijacked by TVI? This is one isssue after it's resolved we'll be back to normal.

[Zacs-Master]

Jesus. As if Brexit wasn’t complicated enough!

[Togo]

The Brexit question was above party politics and was about National identity and self determination. The reality is that most constituencies voted to leave the EUSSR and the majority of those very same constituents have been betrayed by the sitting MP in the constituent who have, lead by May, tried to thwart the vote. Time to clear the decks of the non representative MPs and reward the local electorate with like minded agents rather than the gainsayers, who say what they want them to hear whilst, intending to do the opposite.

[jim360]

We're all passionate about Brexit, on one side or the other, but is there any reason why is should be regarded as no longer subject to normal political rules? Or normal legal rules, for that matter. I've no idea what TVI is but in any case my point really is that if politicians aren't representing you then it's worth looking at why, and how you might change that. And looking at it *now*, rather than after Brexit. Which may be a very long wait indeed.

[pixie374]

They should represent the country first and foremost. Especially when something is this obvious. Jim, you do seem to do a lot of twisting when there is something you don't personally agree with.

[vetuste_ennemi]

//How should the MP vote in the house regarding brexit ? //

According to his conscience.

The honest Remainer who is convinced of the ruinous folly of leaving the EU would have voted against[i the Referendum Bill, of course. And against triggering Article 50. This MP has acted honourably according to his lights, and I expect him to continue to prevent Brexit. Indeed, I respect him for it.

MPs, however, who voted [i]for] either of the two bills mentioned above promised implicity to honour the result of the referendum and to leave, if necessary, with no deal. Those such who are now trying to thwart Brexit are liars.

[jim360]

Aww, Pixie, we were doing so well...

I'm not twisting at all, as far as I'm concerned. I *am* worried, because frankly I don't see that a General Election sorts this mess out either, whether or not "my side" wins. As I've suggested in this thread, Brexit is becoming a proxy for what type of national politics you want, so it probably doesn't matter whether or not we get Brexit -- our own politics would still end up broken by the process of stopping it or forcing it through.

[Peter Pedant]

// Answer to the first question depends on which side of the debate you're on.//
ish

an MP is a representative and not a delegate
this cuts thro the supposed Gordian Knot of 'what on earth does he do?'

despite statements to the contrary by the deep thinkers on this site
the MP represents all his constituents ( which basically allows him to vote how he likes) -so a Labour MP represents a tory voter in constituency problems.

An MP may vote against the wishes of the screamers whiners and shouters in the constituency and always has done so - in the sixties, Hanging and homosexuality spring to mind. Abortion as well

that just about answers it
and has always been thus

[ToraToraTora]

jim: the figures are available for constituences and indeed nations but they only of statistical curiosity. No doubt certain streets can claim to be remain/leave but that's all irrelevant, the vote was UK wide and rightly treated as such.

[pixie374]

Sorry Jim x it sometimes seems your personal preference starts first, and you go backwards from there. I apologise if it is not accurate x

[Peter Pedant]

// //How should the MP vote in the house regarding brexit ? //
According to his conscience.

end of.... to quote dear TTT

[Peter Pedant]

// I apologise if it is not accurate x//
why not go the whole hog?

Jim it has always been a matter of great regret to me that theoretical physics courses do lots on quarks, colour and higgs boson

and never seem to cover useful things like
How does parliament work ?
and what does an MP do all day?