Have Governments/eu Been A Bit Too Quick To Deamonise The Oil Burners?

[youngmafbog]

And it seem LRJ's discovery is 20 time less polluting (NOX) than a Renault clio!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/cars/article-6752439/Diesel-Land-Rover-Discovery-20-times-cleaner-dirty-Renault-Clio-supermini.html

[Zacs-Master]

AIR's website says 'AIR receives fees from organisations requesting emission tests to be carried out on vehicles to be included in the AIR Index.

I'd like to know who these 'organisations' are.

[youngmafbog]

Yes, that would be interesting.

Perhaps if it were funded independently then we could start to understand the truth, one way or another?

[goodgoalie]

Yes, there's so much rubbish talked and written about emissions and pollution.
I'm tempted to start a thread about the massive subsidies Drax gets from all of us for burning wood pellets shipped all the way across the Atlantic from the USA.

[youngmafbog]

Found this:
Who is behind it?
The worldwide initiative is being spearheaded by a British-based independent testing group and backed by pollution and transport experts at Imperial College London and on the Continent.

Central to it is the respected British car-testing firm Emissions Analytics whose testing regime and published data has already been adopted by London Mayor Sadiq Khan, and his counterparts in Paris and Seoul, as part of his drive to clean up London’s polluted air and ‘put an end to the smoke and mirrors that have been employed in official emissions tests.’

[djtdjt]

My Alfa Romeo 159 diesel just got through MOT, emissions test okay, good mpg, i'm sticking with diesel until it gets banned!

[Gromit]

The results of the index are a mixed bunch, which the Mail have cherry picked.
Whilst some deisel cars surprising get the best A rating, deisel cars also feature in the worst ratin. Band H is more than 12 times the cycle limit for NOx. Three cars in the Euro 6 batch scored H: the Fiat 500X with the 1.6 diesel, the Audi A8 V6 247bhp diesel quattro and the Ssangyong Korando diesel.

So it is not the clean bill of health that the article pretends.

[Gromit]

The AIR Index seems to be a rebranding of a previous product reported on by TopGear 3 years ago.

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/insider/company-has-published-emissions-database-online

[TonyV]

Emissions along with mpg. Manufacturers numbers are sometimes, if not always are best case, tested in a lab, not real world conditions, with optimum car settings.

[jno]

good news if you have a Discovery, bad news if you have a Clio. I'm not sure where this gets us, except that lots more people own Clios.

[jno]

you're right ... TonyVW

[TonyV]

Good pun jno

[Spicerack]

punto.

[Togo]

Worth a read YMB.

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/fleet-management/case-studies/industry-profiles/emissions-analytics-living-in-the-real-world-of-emissions

[youngmafbog]

Not sure on your post again Gromit.

The article, as I read it is that some modern diesels are a lot better than others - and you can't tell just by current 'gossip' which is best.

[youngmafbog]

An interesting read Togo

[ToraToraTora]

It's all a bit duke in my opinion, after all the fiddling from the Vw and audit how does anyone know?