Drug Addict Killed Two Of His Friends But Gets Only 4 Years !

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-31713603

He was found guilty to causing the death of his two friends, by dangerous driving but the given only a four years jail sentence.

This can't be right surely ?

[baza]

Crash happened two and a half years ago, the Welsh courts must be busy, the 4 years seems paltry when you think 2 lives ended.

[gailforce]

I'm not even going to look at the link - 4 years is rediculous!

Yet another example of the softly softly judicial system

[Peter Pedant]

yeah that seems to be par for the course for death by dangerous driving

we do not sentence, Mikey the Great and Good do
and this year, if you smuggle drugs you go to prison for longer on average than someone does for murder

= a very very long time

The is British Justice for you

[hc4361]

The sentencing for this offence ranges from 2 to 14 years in custody. We don't know the mitigating factors.

[mikey4444]

HC....I am not sure there were any mitigating factors. Here is a quote from the WalesOnLine website :::

"At a sentencing hearing at Swansea Crown Court on Tuesday Judge Christopher Vosper said Clements, of Culfor Road, Loughor, refused to accept he was to blame for the accident and had shown little remorse. Throughout his trial Clements denied causing the deaths of Jonathan Knoedl and James Holder by driving dangerously in his Volkswagen Golf on September 15, 2012"

So he took drugs, killed his two mates, lied in court and showed no remorse. It sounds as he got off very, very lightly indeed !

[EDDIE51]

About normal for death by dangerous.
Someone I used to know got 5 years for it. He served onto the footpath and ran over a 3 year old child, killed her and seriously injured the mother .
He was out in 2 years 8 months!

[mikey4444]

Well...it still doesn't sound long enough for me.

[anneasquith]

does not say he is/was a drug addict. but tested positive for drugs whilst driving.

[EcclesCake]

You are not in full possession of the facts and the presiding judge was and it is upon those facts the judgement was based on.

You repeatedly refer to drug users as addicts, that is an assumption on your part.

[mikey4444]

Same difference to me annie....if you take cocaine and marijuana on a regular basis, you are a drug addict as far as I am concerne. Both are highly addictive. If he hadn't been taking drugs that evening, he might not have the accident in the first place.

Can't understand why this isn't manslaughter though...where is New Judge when we need him ?

This accident happened very close to me here in Swansea, and my nephew went to school with one of the dead boys.

[Orderlimit]

//if you take cocaine and marijuana on a regular basis, you are a drug addict as far as I am concerne.//

Does that make you an alcoholic then?

[EDDIE51]

Manslaughter is where a person intentionally sets out to seriously injure or kill another person.
This was an accident , there was negligence ( drug use while driving) but it could never be manslaughter.

[Booldawg]

always remember a member of the police force cynically saying 'you want to get away with murder? kill someone with your car'

[tinkerbell23]

As a comparison my friend was killed by a punch to the head (from behind) hit his head and died. Person ran away who did it.

Long story short served 1yr in prison x

[ummmm]

You seem not to understand addiction Mikey.

[ToraToraTora]

"You seem not to understand addiction Mikey. " - ok ummmm so you think that an addict should have special sentencing when they commit these attrocities? I know you are speaking from experience but really people need to control their own lives. Killing 2 people by stupidity, in my opinion should increase the senetence, this is not far off murder in my opinion. Because of this selfish idiot 2 innocent people will never see the sun rise again. Throw away the key.

[mikey4444]

Ummmm...with respect, I understand addiction well enough, although perhaps not as well as you do ( going by TTT's comment above) If you or your family have been affected by drugs, than you have every sympathy from me.

This stupid young man thought it was OK to take highly addictive drugs, and then drive home, and because his judgement was therefore impaired, he killed two of his friends. I have far more sympathy for his two friends than I will ever have for him. I support a zero tolerance to drugs, which is maybe too harsh for some people, but...there it is.

[ToraToraTora]

Mikey, ummmm has often confirmed she is a nicotine addict, I was referring to that.

[VHG]

>>>>Manslaughter is where a person intentionally sets out to seriously injure or kill another person.

No that is murder.

Manslaughter is when you UNintentionally kill someone.