What Do You Think Happened Here

[ivor4781]

please read it thoroughly so many on another site kept saying why not turn off ignition "its key less",personally i think the guy just did not understand how a car works apart from driving it..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3968218/Terrified-driver-32-called-999-control-Skoda-sped-motorway-119mph-cruise-control-stuck-crashed-lorry.html

[tonyav]

tonyav
Most cruise control systems that I have come across have a cancel facility.


Sorry not most, mean't all.

[EDDIE51]

The more I read the more it looks like suicide. He was a 'meticulous driver' and a 'car enthusiast' according to the links, he would have known what to do. Steer at an angle into the crash barrier as a last resort. None of the links say if it was an automatic or a manual, which I find strange, that is the first thing I thought of an auto jammed in 'drive'.

[Togo]

Yes av that was the link I saw late afternoon. Ta.
Now bear with me. Tony's link has a name with the report. Could it be possible that the "funnies" are supressing salient information for security reasons and that the driver was under some sort of duress and saw this as the only way out of a dilemma. I never believe anything I read in the press or on line that does not add up or set the ducks in a row.

[ivor4781]

Togo, its not newspaper garbage its an inquest report

[Togo]

Ivor were you there? Press reports are what we are getting. No photographs, no pictures of deceased, no eye witnesses, no works colleagues or family statements, all we have is what has been cleared by........who?

[EDDIE51]

^ You are getting all 'conspiracy theory' Togo. There were no eyewitnesses, I am assuming it was late at night, how else could he drive for 8 minutes at over 100mph while making a mobile phone call and not hit anything? The rear view camera of the lorry saw the car change lanes onto the hard shoulder or verge as if it was under control, I still see it as suicide!

[Togo]

Here is another question. This is a pretty dramatic event...yes. We now have "a conclusion" by experts about what happened do we not. Err not. Now I may be getting a bit slower as time passes but I can recall no reports of this when it happened, I may be wrong, it may have been front page "news" when it occurred.

[Togo]

It was 3am in the morning Eddie.

[Togo]

Eddie let me be clear, I see it as suicide....my question is why. And of course if we fools on the "bank" can see that, what or who was inhibiting the coroner?

[bhg481]

With keyless ignition you do not put your key in the ignition, you can keep it in your pocket. You start the car by pushing the "start/stop" button.
To turn of the ignition you normally put the car into "P" on an automatic and press the "start/stop" button. You can turn it off by holding down the "start/stop" button with the car in gear but you "never" need to do this, so I suspect most people don't know how to.
It seems obvious that something went wrong and he couldn't work out how to turn off the ignition because he couldn't get the car into N or P.

[Togo]

I was under the impression that a Skoda Octivia had key ignition.

[EDDIE51]

Togo, a coroner can ONLY pass a suicide verdict if there is substantial proof that it was suicide ( such as a suicide note) . There is no such evidence in this case. it is all conjecture. There was never a chance that this would go down as suicide. The coroner has passed the only possible verdict for this case, a narrative verdict ( or what used to be called an open verdict.) That verdict can be altered if more evidence is found in the future.

[Togo]

The cruise control system (CCS) maintains a constant speed, more than 30 km/h (20mph), once it has been set, without you having to depress the accelerator pedal. This is only possible within the range which is permitted by the power output and braking power of the engine.
You can increase the speed by depressing the accelerator. Releasing the acceler-ator will cause the speed to drop again to the set speed.
This does not apply, however, if you drive at a speed which is more than 10 km/h higher than the set speed for a period of longer than 5 minutes. The stored speed will be cancelled in the memory. You then have to re-store the desired speed

From the Octavia hand book. +8 minute mobile call saying control was lost.

[EDDIE51]

Togo, No it is keyless ignition, the key just needs to be present in the car. Which gives us another option to stop the car, throw the key out of the window and the car will no longer receive the signal from the key and the ignition will cut out and stop the engine! (Earlier models were 'key' ignition.)
I had one as a hire car, you get in and wait for the car system to show the 'key present' light before you can start the car. It won't start or run without the key being in the car, I tried it!

[Togo]

//Togo, a coroner can ONLY pass a suicide verdict if there is substantial proof that it was suicide//

Or if he has was party "officially", and legally presented with all the facts and had not been advised of overriding matters of National interest. Shall we say.
Off to bed chaps, in cruise control at the speed of light. :))

[EDDIE51]

^The Truth is Out There !!!

[joko]

while suicide is a possibility, it seems a rather strange way to go about it - why not just crash the car at 70mph? he'd likely still die, so why make the call and lie etc?

actually i suspect he had been clocked by a speed camera somewhere nearby and thought up this as an elaborate excuse to get out of whatever punishment might happen to a person going 119 on a motorway.

hes realised he might get a hefty fine, banned, or lose his licence or something and thought evidence of a police record of a 999 call, around the same time as the camera took the pic, would 'prove' his excuse that it wasnt his fault etc - would save him from any punishment.

clever in many ways i guess, not so clever that he tried to keep the speed up while on the phone etc.

[bhg481]

I don't know about the Skoda Eddie but in my Volvo the key only needs to be inside the car for it to start. Once the engine is running you can take the key from the car and all that happens is a warning noise and a message on the dashboard. Cruise can be cancelled by over-riding it for a few minutes, by pushing a button or by using the brakes. It could be that a failed brake-light switch removed the last option but no evidence found. I can only think that a mechanical fault caused the throttle to jam open (it happened to my wife once) but I don't think any evidence was found for that either.