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Electric Car Owners To Pay Road Tax?

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barry1010 | 08:14 Sat 12th Nov 2022 | Motoring
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Can we believe the DM? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11418155/Owners-emission-free-vehicles-pay-tax-time-bid-plug-7-billion-shortfall.html

Of course it can't apply retrospectively, those already with an electric car won't be paying until they buy a new car.

Can it be true? Would it put you off buying a new electric car?
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like TTT often says - cars are really only for rich folks.
Is TTT going electrify the Jag?
no - he's going to buy BP!
//Road Fund Licence should be paid by all users equally. No one should be given unfair concessions. //

Correct "Geezer". This should now include bikists, especially the electrickery powered nuisances. How much does it cost to paint the roads and make special lanes for them? That they then ignore and take great delight in making themselves an inconvenient vexation.
Electric vehicle owners may be in for a shock. You know they're not going to be (self) regarded as sainted planet savers for ever.
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But Togo, the tax doesn't pay for road maintenance
// the larger vehicle does next to no damage, //

Heavier vehicles will cause the top layer of asphalt to erode more quickly, for the reasons given in my last post. Of course, to deny the science is your prerogative.

Let's change tack. Consider this;

The tyres on a heavier vehicle will we larger in size. Hence the CSA of the tyre tread is greater.

Very fine rubber particulates caused by friction
(Note friction is a force) between the road surface and the tyre are of major concern. These are extremely harmful to the environment, more so than vehicle gas emissions.

Once again let me stress,'the heavier the vehicle the more it will contribute to air pollution'. In fact since EVs weigh more than their internal combustion counterparts, they give rise to more pollution.

It is difficult to accept the argument you put forward that RFL should be same for every vehicle. Especially when it is know that heavier vehicles cause more damage to both our roads and the very air we breathe!


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Heavier vehicles don't just use more fuel and wear and tear on the roads, they create more brake dust and wear out the tyres faster. Both bad for the environment
^^^^^ 100% Agreed ^^^^^

Unfortunately there are those OPs who simply refuse to accept the science.

You can take a horse to water...

ps ^^^^ wear and tear of horseshoes has been taken into consideration ;0)
This, surely is the time to radically reorganise the vehicle excise system. It was guaranteed, in my view, that eventually electric cars would have to fall in line with the rest of us mortals. Rishi should pick a date in the future eg 1.1.23, and bring it in. My choice is the same as Dave. Yes, keep it simple and understandable.
hoppy:"Is TTT going electrify the Jag? " - I Quite like the idea of electrifying a classic jag but not my current one, well if the engine goes pop I might. I certainly prefer to electrify an older car with some character than have one of these soulless modern lecky motors.
// currently two thirds of the tricity that the cars use is being generated by gas generation //

Nope. Renewables make up more that 50% of electricity generation everyday. Most electric cars are recharged overnight and off peak when demand is low and less gas is used.
Personally I think the whole VED system needs scrapping and replacing with road pricing. Fairer for all.
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I've heard a lot of mumblings about the issue in the past but I'm unaware of the current situation.
Do foreign HGVs pay to travel on our roads?
Not at the moment Barry, but should again from next August.

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/hgv-road-user-levy
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Thanks, Hopkirk, that's good to know but no doubt the cost of the goods will increase in the shops.
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Reading that report it appears that foreign based HGVs were paying before the temporary suspension due to Covid
Emission zones are another tax on working people. I'll keep on saying it. Can anyone prove that emissions have ever made anyone ill, or killed anyone? Has anyone ever been diagnosed with a proven pollution illness? Is there a death certificate anywhere that says a person died of pollution from vehicles? You're all being had. It's obtaining money with scaremongering aforethought.
"Of course [VED] can't apply retrospectively, those already with an electric car won't be paying until they buy a new car."

Unfortunately, that is not the plan.

https://www.scribd.com/document/608279156/CCS1022065440-001-SECURE-HMT-Autumn-Statement-November-2022-Web-Accessible-1#fullscreen&;from_embed

"New zero emission cars registered on or after 1 April 2025 will be liable to pay the lowest first year rate of VED (which applies to vehicles with CO2 emissions 1 to 50g/km) currently £10 a year. From the second year of registration onwards, they will move to the standard rate, currently £165 a year
•zero emission cars first registered ***between 1 April 2017 and 31 March 2025*** will also pay the standard rate" [emphasis added]
//Is there a death certificate anywhere that says a person died of pollution from vehicles?//

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56801794

"An inquest had found air pollution "made a material contribution" to her death.

Pollution a factor in girl's death, inquest finds.

Ella was the first person in the UK to have air pollution listed as the cause of death on their death certificate..."

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