Speeding Fine

[Jimsy]

My son who's 19 and recently passed his test got caught by a GATSO doing 53mph in a 30 mph limit. Will he get the standard �60 fine and 3 penalty points ? (this is in Scotland)

[ENGINEER1973]

Could be a ban.

[Ethel]

ow many penalty points can I get before I am banned from driving?

A driver who accumulates 12 or more penalty points within a 3-year period faces disqualification from driving. New drivers who accumulate 6 or more penalty points within two years of passing their driving test will have their licence revoked and will have to reapply for a provisional licence and retake their theory and practical driving test.

http://www.fifedirect.org.uk/articles/index.cf m?fuseaction=article.display&objectid=5532C540 -E7FE-C7EA-0BCA29284451CFB6&page=CD1EB70B-E7FE -C7EA-01A30BC5AF7951D1

This is from Fifedirect - so applies to Scotland.

I believe the standard penalty points for going 23 mph over the speed limit is 5 points.

[oldhamfan]

A colleague was recently offered a Speed Awareness Course as an alternative to the points, which he gladly accepted. He was doing 37mph in a 30.

[naz_nomad]

Hopefully a prison sentence, before the stupid little sh1t kills someone

[imprezashit]

Ward~Minter, you seem like a nob!

Why does being well off have anything to do with pursuing a personal injury claim. If you had any idea of what you were talking about you would know that with a CFA (thats a conditional fee agreement, because you probably dont have a clue) anyone can bring a claim of this nature. I think you just want to make it seem like your a man with money, probably a poor boy with little money who sits on the internet all day talking crap.

What would be the point in lying anyway. Surely justice is about right or wrong, and not who lies the best. Normally the can spot a scumbag coming and would through your claim out anyway.

Besides I bet you have all been speeding at some point in your life. I know I do and anyone who says they haven't is a liar.

Naz_nomad, not really any need for your big boy attitude, it seems they want some advice not your sh!tty comments. Just remember, swearing doesnt make you seem like your something special.

[Jimsy]

I don't condone what my son did, but he was a little infortunate. He was on a major road out of Glasgow which is a dual carrageway with a 50 speed limit for 95% of the route. it drops very suddenly down to 30 MPH for about 400 metres. I know he should still have paid attention and slowed down to meet the new limit but he missed the signs. I don't think some of the comments were warranted. Especially some of the more recent ones. I worried that he could lose his licence and wanted advice.

[Rock'n'Roll]

Hopefully he'll have learned some sense,albeit the hard way. Having said that,we've all been 19 at some stage and no doubt,most,if not all have driven like real pr'cks,some probably still do. Hope he gets a good nagging off parents,nearly twice the speed is crazy,and more so with an inexperienced driver

[buttchester]

Ward~Minter, I don't like to get involved in a row but you seem like the weirdest person on answerbank. I have never met anybody who has actually called themselves a man of class.

Also, it looks like your second answer was typed after you read up on civil litigation so that you could have a smart response to impreza$hit.

Surely this site is about answering people's questions, not slagging people off and trying to get an answerbank image for yourself.

[imprezashit]

Ward~minter - Your idiocy is enlightened by the fact that you can not even retype my name.

You advise that I am wrong but I would love you to explain why? You offer no explanation which further suggests that you haven't got a clue what your talking about.

Besides, your palace, as you call it doesn't mean anything to me, but if your not lying then it proves that even idiots can do well in todays society.

Before you decide to challenge me again, I suggest you get clued up with regard to todays law and then come back, should you still have an argument to uphold.

[JudgeJ]

Perhaps I can add a little bit of constructive advice in reply to your question, Jimsy. It might also help quell the personal slanging match that seems to have erupted between ward~minter and ***********, in which I am sure you have no interest at all.

Ethel has put it very succinctly. Just a bit of further information (which is all based on procedures in England and Wales, but which I imagine are much the same in Scotland).

The Association of Chief Police Officers� guidelines say that, where the limit is 30mph, a fixed penalty should be offered for speeds up to 50mph and a summons to appear before magistrates considered above that. This means that your son is likely to be asked to appear. Ethel is slightly adrift in her sentencing forecast. Magistrates� sentencing guidelines for speeds in excess of 51mph suggest that (in addition to a fine) either six points or a disqualification of up to 56 days should be imposed. Ethel has correctly pointed out that if your son does accumulate six points his licence will be revoked. Curiously, though, if the justices decide to impose a disqualification, it will not lead to revocation.

As ward-minter suggests, a speed awareness course may be offered (though I�m not sure if this is available in Scotland). However, unless it reduces the points to below six it will not avoid the revocation. This is carried out automatically by the DVLA. There are no exceptions and no right of appeal.

One or two other points that have been made need clarification. You are not responsible for your son�s driving from either a criminal or civil point of view. Even if the car is yours and you have permitted him to drive it as a named driver (and you have not said this is the case) the responsibility for his actions does not shift to you.

Finally, it is probably no more than wishful thinking by naz_nomad, but you cannot be imprisoned for speeding no matter what the speed or

[JudgeJ]

(Last bit got chopped off)

...or how many times you have offended.

Also notice that the name of ward~minter's protagonist has been starred out. I suppose this must happen to him all the time. Let's just say "ward~minter and A.N.Other"!

[imprezashit]

Ward~Minter: You must have been mistaken as I was never arguing with you, merely correcting your mistake and arrogance.

Be sure to note that I will offer no violence or threats to you at all, however it would be interesting to see how long you would last with your comments of council estates if you weren't hiding behind a screen name.

It really puzzles me to think where your arrogance comes from. Why do you seem to think that you're so much better than the next person? Has your mum been telling you lies again?

To be honest I do pity you. Its sad how your world still revolves around the fact that you are higher in society than another man. Believe me you're not. I can vote just as you can, I can drink in any bar that I like. Even eat from where I want to. Just think, i even sh!t the same way that you do!

You go on about chavs like you hate them. However, here we are discussing these points on a website that any 'scumbag' can go on and on a motoring section, where people come to discuss their bad boy novas. Being the high person that you are, I would wonder what you were doing on here?

I could go on but i'm not going to continue to waste my time with you. I have better things to do.

[whiffey]

It occurs to me on reading this that he might be able to plead for a bit of leniency based on the sudden change in speed limit. It is like this on the A3 at Esher, with barely any change in road conditions there is a sudden 50mph limit - and speed cameras horribly soon afterwards.

It's not as though he was haring around crowded suburban streets and schools. If he were, that in my view would be a very different matter.

[buttchester]

Mr Minter, I wasn't trying to insult you. Also, I didn't say I'd never met a man of class; I said I'd never met anyone who says that they are a man of class. The only people who would say something like that are clearly insecure.

If you were such a man of class you wouldn't be arguing with people on the internet. You must a real big-shot at the lodge. I bet you can't wait to tell them how you argued with a "chav" on here today.