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False Parking Tickets and Clamps
I am interested to know as a 4x4 driver is the placing of false parking tickets or false clamps as shown on these websites something that 4x4 drivers have just got to put up with or are those applying these things breaking any laws?
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/cambrid ge/2006/03/335627.html
http://www.stopurban4x4s.org.uk/news.htm
Has anyone got legal advise or a course of action we can take or do we just have to accept this behaviour?
I would also suggest all 4x4 owners get some of the free high quality tickets available from the second site and then burn or shred them to try to bankrupt stopurban4x4
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/cambrid ge/2006/03/335627.html
http://www.stopurban4x4s.org.uk/news.htm
Has anyone got legal advise or a course of action we can take or do we just have to accept this behaviour?
I would also suggest all 4x4 owners get some of the free high quality tickets available from the second site and then burn or shred them to try to bankrupt stopurban4x4
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You obviously are an authority on the subject.
Many people have assumptions about bikers/lorry drivers/ white van man all I have ever wanted to do is say that not all 4x4 drivers are as you assume they are.
You did make this statement - which you kindly put into capitals because I obviously can't read lower case �I WONDER HOW POPULAR 4X4 WOULD BE IF AN ADDITIONAL TEST OF EQUAL STRICTNESS WAS INTRODUCED"
That is certainly a statement which is nitpickingly close to a suggestion and one that I wanted to address.
I was merely answering that by saying what the hell would you need to take an additional test for - just because you car is bigger than a good few others on the road. As you would also have to include everything above a certain size including transit vans/MPV's/Flat bed trucks etc.
And you obviously don�t want to accept it but you are definitely forming an opinion from assumptions you are making. In your first post you are making sweeping generalizations about "4x4"drivers - I am responding by saying you are wrong and that no - not all 4x4 drivers are as you describe them. I certainly am not - my sister and her husband are not and the other people I know who drive 4x4's do not drive in the manner that you describe.
After having my own courier business for 5 years, travelling the length and breadth of Britain and Europe and covering many miles in the process I could say that I have formed an opinion about Lorry drivers abd the way they all drive- I'm sure you'd start saying that you were none of the things I could suggest that you are - at the end of the day we are all out there trying to get from a to b as safely as possible.
As for entering into sensible discussion - I don't believe I have ever been personal in the way that you have been or indeed does it warrant patronising, condescending comments and the assumption that you are in any way qualified
Many people have assumptions about bikers/lorry drivers/ white van man all I have ever wanted to do is say that not all 4x4 drivers are as you assume they are.
You did make this statement - which you kindly put into capitals because I obviously can't read lower case �I WONDER HOW POPULAR 4X4 WOULD BE IF AN ADDITIONAL TEST OF EQUAL STRICTNESS WAS INTRODUCED"
That is certainly a statement which is nitpickingly close to a suggestion and one that I wanted to address.
I was merely answering that by saying what the hell would you need to take an additional test for - just because you car is bigger than a good few others on the road. As you would also have to include everything above a certain size including transit vans/MPV's/Flat bed trucks etc.
And you obviously don�t want to accept it but you are definitely forming an opinion from assumptions you are making. In your first post you are making sweeping generalizations about "4x4"drivers - I am responding by saying you are wrong and that no - not all 4x4 drivers are as you describe them. I certainly am not - my sister and her husband are not and the other people I know who drive 4x4's do not drive in the manner that you describe.
After having my own courier business for 5 years, travelling the length and breadth of Britain and Europe and covering many miles in the process I could say that I have formed an opinion about Lorry drivers abd the way they all drive- I'm sure you'd start saying that you were none of the things I could suggest that you are - at the end of the day we are all out there trying to get from a to b as safely as possible.
As for entering into sensible discussion - I don't believe I have ever been personal in the way that you have been or indeed does it warrant patronising, condescending comments and the assumption that you are in any way qualified
this is the last time i will answer you, so after this feel free to keep trying.
i have never ever said all if you read my posts again you will find the words many and most used but never all!
and statements cannot be sweeping generalizations when they are based on my own observations in conjuntion with the words many and most but as i said above not ever ALL.
if you did have comments about bikers and lorry drivers if they were based on fact and it was constructive critisism i would not cart blanche deny every one only the ones that were not correct .
i will admit i am often the first person to defend bikers but i would never defend all of them as there are some pr%8ks amongst our ranks who bring most of the problems we face upon themselves and then shout loudest when they fall foul of the consequences.
so in a nutshell i think if you calmly read my posts again i think you could see i have tried to be objective and never ever classed all of you as the same, as for your comment saying you could say things about me well how assumptive would that be as i am pretty sure the odds of you ever seeing me or knowing it was me would be nothing short of miraculous.
so if at the end of reading my posts again you still think i am narrow minded in my views then so be it, but like i said in my first post the reason most people get on their high horses i did not say me as i dont give a damn, the reason i got so involved in this thread is beacause you were being so narrow minded and defensive about 4x4 drivers because if you can hand on heart say some of the things i have mentioned dont occur then you are not driving where i do.
one last thing i dont agree with people sticking things on other peoples property and never would as i believe in liberty for all but when your liberty affects other peoples liberty then you are bang out of order.
i have never ever said all if you read my posts again you will find the words many and most used but never all!
and statements cannot be sweeping generalizations when they are based on my own observations in conjuntion with the words many and most but as i said above not ever ALL.
if you did have comments about bikers and lorry drivers if they were based on fact and it was constructive critisism i would not cart blanche deny every one only the ones that were not correct .
i will admit i am often the first person to defend bikers but i would never defend all of them as there are some pr%8ks amongst our ranks who bring most of the problems we face upon themselves and then shout loudest when they fall foul of the consequences.
so in a nutshell i think if you calmly read my posts again i think you could see i have tried to be objective and never ever classed all of you as the same, as for your comment saying you could say things about me well how assumptive would that be as i am pretty sure the odds of you ever seeing me or knowing it was me would be nothing short of miraculous.
so if at the end of reading my posts again you still think i am narrow minded in my views then so be it, but like i said in my first post the reason most people get on their high horses i did not say me as i dont give a damn, the reason i got so involved in this thread is beacause you were being so narrow minded and defensive about 4x4 drivers because if you can hand on heart say some of the things i have mentioned dont occur then you are not driving where i do.
one last thing i dont agree with people sticking things on other peoples property and never would as i believe in liberty for all but when your liberty affects other peoples liberty then you are bang out of order.
Don't think for one minute that I "expect" a reply from you but if you say things that clearly aren't true then I will gladly point them out to you.
"i think the reason most people get on their high horses about 4x4's is because of the attitude of their drivers while they are driving them, because they think they are so safe in them they bully people out of the way on the roads, cause a lot of congestion as most of the drivers cant judge the size of the car in gaps unless some other driver backs down to them giving them a massive gap "
Not "some of them" but
"the attitude of their drivers"
"because they think"
"they bully people out of the way"
They are sweeping generalisations not fact.
Yes I obviously drive on the same roads as you and I have never see such behaviour in 20 years of driving. I have seen a lot of bad driving accross the board but not from any one "group" more than another.
I'm not the one being narrow minded here you are the one throwing accusations around which are plainly untrue. If someone started ripping into lorry drivers in such a way you'd be the first to defend them no doubt.
All I am doing is defending the 4x4 corner as I'm sick to death of people dictating that I should be driving this car or that car.
I choose to drive the car I do as I pay the appropriate Tax I have a full and valid MOT certificate saying it has passed the emisisons test, I service my car to keep the emissions as low as possible - I have a full clean licence and I am fully insured to do so. These people having a go at us should see that there are bigger fish to fry in the motoring world.
Reply or not - I couldn't give a monkeys, I'm sure that most people on here will see the point I am making as it is clearly over your head.
"i think the reason most people get on their high horses about 4x4's is because of the attitude of their drivers while they are driving them, because they think they are so safe in them they bully people out of the way on the roads, cause a lot of congestion as most of the drivers cant judge the size of the car in gaps unless some other driver backs down to them giving them a massive gap "
Not "some of them" but
"the attitude of their drivers"
"because they think"
"they bully people out of the way"
They are sweeping generalisations not fact.
Yes I obviously drive on the same roads as you and I have never see such behaviour in 20 years of driving. I have seen a lot of bad driving accross the board but not from any one "group" more than another.
I'm not the one being narrow minded here you are the one throwing accusations around which are plainly untrue. If someone started ripping into lorry drivers in such a way you'd be the first to defend them no doubt.
All I am doing is defending the 4x4 corner as I'm sick to death of people dictating that I should be driving this car or that car.
I choose to drive the car I do as I pay the appropriate Tax I have a full and valid MOT certificate saying it has passed the emisisons test, I service my car to keep the emissions as low as possible - I have a full clean licence and I am fully insured to do so. These people having a go at us should see that there are bigger fish to fry in the motoring world.
Reply or not - I couldn't give a monkeys, I'm sure that most people on here will see the point I am making as it is clearly over your head.
"as for your comment saying you could say things about me well how assumptive would that be as i am pretty sure the odds of you ever seeing me or knowing it was me would be nothing short of miraculous.
So if at the end of reading my posts again you still think i am narrow minded in my views then so be it"
For your information I was talking figuratively about "you" as a lorry driver/biker - which again I thought was quite clear.
So if at the end of reading my posts again you still think i am narrow minded in my views then so be it"
For your information I was talking figuratively about "you" as a lorry driver/biker - which again I thought was quite clear.
so you can talk figuratively! everyone else makes sweeping generalisations grow up and learn to see both sides of an argument not just the side you are sat on.
and i (here we go again) never in any of my posts said i dont think people should have them , i can see your point of view but you will not allow yourself to publicly see mine. i also have sweeping generalisations about other groups of motorists as well but seing as they were not the ones in question i chose not too mention them.
if you have anything to say about lorry drivers get on with it if any of them apply to me i would not deny them but i most certainly would defend my corner if you were to talk figuratively about me.
can you not see that it is not a case of things being over my head as i have agreed with some of your points but that i will not just let you spout your side of things without the other side being given a platform.
oh and by the way the paragraph you chose to copy and paste was when we were using the generalisation of the thread starters a point which i thought we had already touched on in one of the other replies, but still i never said all and i see you chose to ignore the ones where i said most and many.
this could go on for ever and a day unless you can lighten up a bit and accept both sides ,i have but this does not seem to be good enough for you. RANT OVER.
and i (here we go again) never in any of my posts said i dont think people should have them , i can see your point of view but you will not allow yourself to publicly see mine. i also have sweeping generalisations about other groups of motorists as well but seing as they were not the ones in question i chose not too mention them.
if you have anything to say about lorry drivers get on with it if any of them apply to me i would not deny them but i most certainly would defend my corner if you were to talk figuratively about me.
can you not see that it is not a case of things being over my head as i have agreed with some of your points but that i will not just let you spout your side of things without the other side being given a platform.
oh and by the way the paragraph you chose to copy and paste was when we were using the generalisation of the thread starters a point which i thought we had already touched on in one of the other replies, but still i never said all and i see you chose to ignore the ones where i said most and many.
this could go on for ever and a day unless you can lighten up a bit and accept both sides ,i have but this does not seem to be good enough for you. RANT OVER.
You are hilarious !!! You insult people and then tell them to lighten up.
I can obviously see both sides of your argument after having driven 4x4's and other cars - I don't have to agree with you when you spout off about what "some" 4x4 drivers do although you didn't say "some" originally which is what I have been trying to point out.
It's you who decides to deny what you have clearly posted. You are obviously reading what you want to read and not what is actually there.
"so you can talk figuratively! everyone else makes sweeping generalisations grow up and learn to see both sides of an argument not just the side you are sat on." I was - in that particular post talking figuratively to prove the point that I was referring to - which I thought was obvious. As to being told to grow up - that's cheap and typical of someone losing an argument.
"if you have anything to say about lorry drivers get on with it if any of them apply to me i would not deny them but i most certainly would defend my corner if you were to talk figuratively about me." - Completely irrelevant. You are missing the point I am making by an absolute mile.
I think it's time to agree to differ.
I can obviously see both sides of your argument after having driven 4x4's and other cars - I don't have to agree with you when you spout off about what "some" 4x4 drivers do although you didn't say "some" originally which is what I have been trying to point out.
It's you who decides to deny what you have clearly posted. You are obviously reading what you want to read and not what is actually there.
"so you can talk figuratively! everyone else makes sweeping generalisations grow up and learn to see both sides of an argument not just the side you are sat on." I was - in that particular post talking figuratively to prove the point that I was referring to - which I thought was obvious. As to being told to grow up - that's cheap and typical of someone losing an argument.
"if you have anything to say about lorry drivers get on with it if any of them apply to me i would not deny them but i most certainly would defend my corner if you were to talk figuratively about me." - Completely irrelevant. You are missing the point I am making by an absolute mile.
I think it's time to agree to differ.
cheap hilarious "whatever"
at least i can have a discussion and merit both sides even if the discussion involves something i have strong feelings for, which this one does not though it obviously does for you. if and when you could see your way too being a tiny bit less biased i might engage in another one with you for now cheerio and have a merry christmas ( oops sorry i may be making a sweeping generalisation that you celebrate christmas)
at least i can have a discussion and merit both sides even if the discussion involves something i have strong feelings for, which this one does not though it obviously does for you. if and when you could see your way too being a tiny bit less biased i might engage in another one with you for now cheerio and have a merry christmas ( oops sorry i may be making a sweeping generalisation that you celebrate christmas)
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