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A Controversial truth
There seems to be a lot of problems in the UK at the moment, I put this idea forward for all to attack. Terrorists, Immigrants, asylum seekers, peadophiles, paparatzi, and criminals are not 100% to blame.
The 'True Brit' only has to look in the mirror to see why his country is no longer the land of hope and glory.
1/3 of the population believe that its their right as Britons to claim benefit/allowances and work at the same time, as they dont get enough back from the government.
20% of city workers admit that they are paid too much for the work they actually do.
55% of home owners say their house price is over inflated (i think the rest are only saying the opposite cause its up for sale)
Middle aged people are buying 2nd homes abroad, whilst their children cant afford a 1 bedroom flat.
Crime does pay... most re-offenders admit that even prison life is easier than going straight.
Family business's are no longer important, its more important to save 3p per kilo on potatoes in Tescos.
Its unfashionable to use public transport, or buy a eco-friendly car.
Its a chore to seperate and recylce your rubbish.
Having a mobile phone with �100+ per month bill is now an absolute neccessity.
Because the council pays for a street cleaner, its alright to treat your home town like an ashtray.
I could go on and on...
Should we be responsible for our own actions, or do we vote for someone so we can blame them?
We reap what we sow.
The 'True Brit' only has to look in the mirror to see why his country is no longer the land of hope and glory.
1/3 of the population believe that its their right as Britons to claim benefit/allowances and work at the same time, as they dont get enough back from the government.
20% of city workers admit that they are paid too much for the work they actually do.
55% of home owners say their house price is over inflated (i think the rest are only saying the opposite cause its up for sale)
Middle aged people are buying 2nd homes abroad, whilst their children cant afford a 1 bedroom flat.
Crime does pay... most re-offenders admit that even prison life is easier than going straight.
Family business's are no longer important, its more important to save 3p per kilo on potatoes in Tescos.
Its unfashionable to use public transport, or buy a eco-friendly car.
Its a chore to seperate and recylce your rubbish.
Having a mobile phone with �100+ per month bill is now an absolute neccessity.
Because the council pays for a street cleaner, its alright to treat your home town like an ashtray.
I could go on and on...
Should we be responsible for our own actions, or do we vote for someone so we can blame them?
We reap what we sow.
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I dont claim benifits and work as well.
I am not a city worker and i dont get paid enough.
I have put a lot of blood and sweat into my home and the value should rise.
My parents cannot afford a second home because they have helped their kids all there lives.
I use public transport whenever i can and i recycle my rubbish.
I pay my taxes and do my best to live a normal life so why should i not attack the people who make my way of life more expensive and more dangerous.
I.E the people mentioned at the top of your thread.
I am not a city worker and i dont get paid enough.
I have put a lot of blood and sweat into my home and the value should rise.
My parents cannot afford a second home because they have helped their kids all there lives.
I use public transport whenever i can and i recycle my rubbish.
I pay my taxes and do my best to live a normal life so why should i not attack the people who make my way of life more expensive and more dangerous.
I.E the people mentioned at the top of your thread.
You are not comparing like with like.
In the top of your append you mention terrorists, in the lower part you mention saving 3p off the price of potatoes in Tesco's.
I feel that a LOT of problems in this country are caused by the number of asylum seekers and immigrants, although there are many immigrants who are a credit to this country.
Having said that, the indiginous population are not perfect, but they never have been and it never has been a land of hope and glory.
There has always been paedophiles, it was was just never talked about. My wife's mother was "touched up" by an uncle about 70 years ago, but in those days people kept it to themselves (for all sorts of reasons).
In Victorian times we had kids working in factories, mothers getting drunk on Gin (mother's ruin), Opium dens, many people died in childhood, and mothers died during birth.
I think the biggest problem in this country TODAY is illegal drugs (Heroin, Crack etc).
The people who sell it will kill anyone who gets in their way and to them life is worthless, to the addict they will rob and mug anybody to get �20 for their next fix.
If I was able to fix one thing in this country it would be the drug problem, I would bring back hanging for drug pushers.
It is a scourge on our society.
In the top of your append you mention terrorists, in the lower part you mention saving 3p off the price of potatoes in Tesco's.
I feel that a LOT of problems in this country are caused by the number of asylum seekers and immigrants, although there are many immigrants who are a credit to this country.
Having said that, the indiginous population are not perfect, but they never have been and it never has been a land of hope and glory.
There has always been paedophiles, it was was just never talked about. My wife's mother was "touched up" by an uncle about 70 years ago, but in those days people kept it to themselves (for all sorts of reasons).
In Victorian times we had kids working in factories, mothers getting drunk on Gin (mother's ruin), Opium dens, many people died in childhood, and mothers died during birth.
I think the biggest problem in this country TODAY is illegal drugs (Heroin, Crack etc).
The people who sell it will kill anyone who gets in their way and to them life is worthless, to the addict they will rob and mug anybody to get �20 for their next fix.
If I was able to fix one thing in this country it would be the drug problem, I would bring back hanging for drug pushers.
It is a scourge on our society.
The UK has never been a land of hope and glory.
As an example, I was reading an autobiography the other day.
In it the person said they were very poor when he was young. Their father worked in the theatre, but left home, leaving the boy with his mother and brother.
The mother had a breakdown and went into a home for a while.
The boy and his brother were sent to live with his father.
His father was living with a young woman, who had a 5 year old boy from a previous relationship.
When the two brothers arrived at their fathers house he was not there, but the mother was drunk, and the 5 year old boy was cursing and swearing.
Eventually their father came home very late, and he was drunk as well.
Eventually the boys mother came out of the home and continued to look after the two boys.
The boy eventually left to go to America where he became one of the most famous people in the world.
Did this happen last year in a council estate in Newcastle or Liverpool ?.
No, it happened about 1910
The boys name, Charlie Chaplin.
As an example, I was reading an autobiography the other day.
In it the person said they were very poor when he was young. Their father worked in the theatre, but left home, leaving the boy with his mother and brother.
The mother had a breakdown and went into a home for a while.
The boy and his brother were sent to live with his father.
His father was living with a young woman, who had a 5 year old boy from a previous relationship.
When the two brothers arrived at their fathers house he was not there, but the mother was drunk, and the 5 year old boy was cursing and swearing.
Eventually their father came home very late, and he was drunk as well.
Eventually the boys mother came out of the home and continued to look after the two boys.
The boy eventually left to go to America where he became one of the most famous people in the world.
Did this happen last year in a council estate in Newcastle or Liverpool ?.
No, it happened about 1910
The boys name, Charlie Chaplin.
We own our house and I do agree that they are over priced , we have never had a penny in benefits , have always worked , we do recycle as our council have done it for 15+ years so is now second nature . As we live in a small town we have small shops which are great , good example was wanted to buy 4 brass screws went to the local DIY , 28p later just what I wanted , not a mega pack , so goodbye to B&Q !!! Now we are in the EU all and sundry are here having free health treatment when there are waiting list for the the English , as i'm not British i'm English !!!! And proud of it , fly the flag for St .George !!!
You forgot to mention the unmarried mum , all wear the designer gear , smoke , drink and swear like troopers , have one white child , then have a black one , live on the benefit system and never paid in a bean . Would they get that in any other country in the world ? I don't think so ?
You forgot to mention the unmarried mum , all wear the designer gear , smoke , drink and swear like troopers , have one white child , then have a black one , live on the benefit system and never paid in a bean . Would they get that in any other country in the world ? I don't think so ?
Terrorists, Immigrants, asylum seekers, peadophiles, paparatzi, and criminals are not 100% to blame.
Very true. Pretty much all of those things are incredibly overblown today.
The 'True Brit' only has to look in the mirror to see why his country is no longer the land of hope and glory
As VHG shows above, in terms of the things you're talking about we never have been a 'land of hope and glory'...
1/3 of the population believe that its their right as Britons to claim benefit/allowances and work at the same time, as they dont get enough back from the government.
I don't really understand what angle you're coming at with this. Do you dislike the idea that a third of people (allegedly) claim benefits, or do you dislike the idea that they don't get enough from the government?
55% of home owners say their house price is over inflated (i think the rest are only saying the opposite cause its up for sale)
Middle aged people are buying 2nd homes abroad, whilst their children cant afford a 1 bedroom flat.
Thanks very much, Mrs. Thatcher...
Family business's are no longer important, its more important to save 3p per kilo on potatoes in Tescos.
That's a pretty sweeping assertion. Family businesses may be being squeezed out of the mainstream, but they're far from extinct (as a trip to just about any rural village market on a saturday will show)
Plus, Tescoes may be pushing people out, but guess why that is? People are shopping there. Why? Because it's cheap & affordable. That might seem evil and capitalistic, but when you consider the cheap products they provide for people on low incomes, you start to realise why it has such a large market. Nobody is forcing anybody to shop there.
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Very true. Pretty much all of those things are incredibly overblown today.
The 'True Brit' only has to look in the mirror to see why his country is no longer the land of hope and glory
As VHG shows above, in terms of the things you're talking about we never have been a 'land of hope and glory'...
1/3 of the population believe that its their right as Britons to claim benefit/allowances and work at the same time, as they dont get enough back from the government.
I don't really understand what angle you're coming at with this. Do you dislike the idea that a third of people (allegedly) claim benefits, or do you dislike the idea that they don't get enough from the government?
55% of home owners say their house price is over inflated (i think the rest are only saying the opposite cause its up for sale)
Middle aged people are buying 2nd homes abroad, whilst their children cant afford a 1 bedroom flat.
Thanks very much, Mrs. Thatcher...
Family business's are no longer important, its more important to save 3p per kilo on potatoes in Tescos.
That's a pretty sweeping assertion. Family businesses may be being squeezed out of the mainstream, but they're far from extinct (as a trip to just about any rural village market on a saturday will show)
Plus, Tescoes may be pushing people out, but guess why that is? People are shopping there. Why? Because it's cheap & affordable. That might seem evil and capitalistic, but when you consider the cheap products they provide for people on low incomes, you start to realise why it has such a large market. Nobody is forcing anybody to shop there.
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Its unfashionable to use public transport, or buy a eco-friendly car.
I'm kind of thinking this might be a typo - it's very fashionable (due to the prevelance of the green issue) to use public transport/greeen vehicles.
Its a chore to seperate and recylce your rubbish.
Well, tough, frankly.
Apart from stuff relating to the green issue, most of the things your describing really aren't that new or recent at all
I'm kind of thinking this might be a typo - it's very fashionable (due to the prevelance of the green issue) to use public transport/greeen vehicles.
Its a chore to seperate and recylce your rubbish.
Well, tough, frankly.
Apart from stuff relating to the green issue, most of the things your describing really aren't that new or recent at all
The stats are questionable but Bob A Job's post is still more conscientious than the usual 'this country's going down the toilet - it makes me want to leave but I'd rather stay here moaning'...
Obviously our lives are much more comfortable than 65 years ago, but voices will still be complaining as loudly 65 years from now even if our lives are ten times easier.
The contented silent majority are less conspicuous in their complaining but, as you point out, this is not necessarily because they have a better perspective.
Perhaps the most selfish thing you can ever do is to bring children into an already overpopulated planet (though it's probably best not to write this on your friends' baby cards!). Yet as human beings people still consider it to be their right.
Obviously our lives are much more comfortable than 65 years ago, but voices will still be complaining as loudly 65 years from now even if our lives are ten times easier.
The contented silent majority are less conspicuous in their complaining but, as you point out, this is not necessarily because they have a better perspective.
Perhaps the most selfish thing you can ever do is to bring children into an already overpopulated planet (though it's probably best not to write this on your friends' baby cards!). Yet as human beings people still consider it to be their right.
What surprises me about people in general is that the richer the country the more crime and general unhappiness there is. Human nature suggests to be near the bottom of the pile creates jealousy and a desire to look down on people of a lower standing or disposition. So the attack on down and outs, immigrants, social inferiors and social security scroungers. Rather than sympathise with these groups they put themselves on a pedestal as this adds to their self worth. Society would be more happier if the playing field was more level and the rich were more heavily taxed at 98% in the pound as happened until a few years ago.
What surprises me about people in general is that the richer the country the more crime and general unhappiness there is.
General unhappiness is a bit more complex, but I severely doubt that richer countries have higher crime, and I'd like to see your evidence for this claim.
When taxation was that high (back in the 60's), it resulted in people who were capable and skilled just leaving the country. Ever heard of the 'Brain Drain'?
Purely throwing money at social issues does nothing for them except make a problem for even more people - you need to administer public spending in order to make it effective.
I'm all for high public expenditure (particularly on education), but to simply tax 98% of someone's income for the hell of it is not only ridiculously excessive and criminal but sends one message - 'don't make too much money'.
General unhappiness is a bit more complex, but I severely doubt that richer countries have higher crime, and I'd like to see your evidence for this claim.
When taxation was that high (back in the 60's), it resulted in people who were capable and skilled just leaving the country. Ever heard of the 'Brain Drain'?
Purely throwing money at social issues does nothing for them except make a problem for even more people - you need to administer public spending in order to make it effective.
I'm all for high public expenditure (particularly on education), but to simply tax 98% of someone's income for the hell of it is not only ridiculously excessive and criminal but sends one message - 'don't make too much money'.
If you want to know about poverty please read a aBooK called "THE RAGGED-TROUSERED PHILANTHROPISTS''by ROBERT TRESSELL .
The rich were even greedier then in 1900 than they are now and the poor were even poorer .
Funnily enough I can only read this book in short bursts as it upsets me so much -it's a true story of life (existence) for the poor at the beginning of the last century .
The rich were even greedier then in 1900 than they are now and the poor were even poorer .
Funnily enough I can only read this book in short bursts as it upsets me so much -it's a true story of life (existence) for the poor at the beginning of the last century .
The rich were even greedier then in 1900 than they are now and the poor were even poorer
I''ll have a look at the book, thanks for mentioning it. But one thing I have to point out is that the poor were richer than they were beforehand - average industrial wages were well over twice what they were in agriculture (the area where the bulk of people were employed throughout the C19)
I''ll have a look at the book, thanks for mentioning it. But one thing I have to point out is that the poor were richer than they were beforehand - average industrial wages were well over twice what they were in agriculture (the area where the bulk of people were employed throughout the C19)
Kromovaracum I don't think you'll believe that the city poor were better off than those on the land (and I'm not saying country folk were well-off ) after reading this book .We are talking about abject poverty here and it breaks your heart to be reminded of it .
I could tell you about life in the Thirties onwards and it wasn't all roses I can tell you .I do hope you will read that book and I also wish a lot more people on here would do so .
I could tell you about life in the Thirties onwards and it wasn't all roses I can tell you .I do hope you will read that book and I also wish a lot more people on here would do so .
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