Speeding Case UK....help/advice needed

[awitejez]

Having gone for a night out I'd had a couple of drinks, so to be safe, and sensible my friend drove my car home, they had said that they had full insurance so they were covered to drive my car. However when driving home they were speeding and went through 30mph zone, at what I think could have been as high as 60 and got double flashed by a camera... it now turns out that they were not insured to drive my car either!now I am wondering what is likely to happen? as my friend would be in alot of trouble for driving without insurance i would take the points and a fine, however i will not take a lengthy ban... can anybody advise me on what is likely to happen?

[R1Geezer]

So have you just been flashed? Nothing else, not stopped asked to produce docs or anything? If you've just been flashed then take the 3 points and make no fuss they won't investigate any further.

[awitejez]

yes, i definately got double flashed, but I thought that if you travel at double the speed limit then you automatically lose your license? as i said, if this is not the case then i will take the points and fine for my friend..but i have a bad feeling it will be worse than this

[bobjugs12]

For more advice post your story in here:
http://www.theanswerb...g/Question889549.html

And see wha sort of advice your mate can get for his speeding issues

[awitejez]

and sorry, no it was by a standard speed camera so no police were there to pull us over. just expecting something in the post over the next 2 weeks

[R1Geezer]

ah I see, well it probably won't be a fixed penalty then. They may well investigate all the docs. If you say you where driving then you'll just get done for speeding, probably a ban for 56 days and a couple of hundred quid. if you tell them your friend was driving, he'll get prosecuted for speeding, no insurance etc etc and you'll get done for allowing an uninsured driver to drive your car.

[awitejez]

thanks...ha ha yeh they definately need some of that advice, i think i will write about them in there!

[awitejez]

good point, i didnt even think about the fact that i could get in trouble for letting them drive, even if i thought they were insured. what is likely to happen to me if i did that then?

[johnny.5]

and you never know the camera might have been out of film

[awitejez]

@johnny...wish i was as optimistic as you! :) but fingered crossed!

[saxy_jag]

The responsibility lies with the driver of the car. It is up to them to ensure they are sufficiently insured, qualified and safe to drive the vehicle, be that under your insurance policy or theirs.

I know it's your friend, but if you get a letter over this and take the rap for them, then I'm sorry, but you're a fool. You'd be a better friend by letting them pay for and learn from their own mistakes.

[factor-fiction]

I'm not sure I agree say-jag. It is the owner's responsibility to check that another driver has appropriate insurance before letting them drive.

[helpmepls]

My brother's been double flashed & never recieved anything. Sometimes they dont contain film. At least you & your friend will learn from this i spose. Good luck.x

[hc4361]

Both driver and keeper can be done for this offence. One for driving without insurance; the other for allowing, causing or permitting the car to be driven without insurance.
The offences under Section 143 Road Traffic Act, 1988 are

(1)Using, or
(2)Causing, or
(3)Permitting

a vehicle to be on a road without third Party insurance in force.
The penalty is the same.

[awitejez]

thanks alot for every ones help, really appreciate it, and would never trust someone to drive my car again.
@hc4361: i thought that was the case too, so just wondering if anyone knows what the penalty will be for allowing them to drive my car if they take the blame for it?

[hc4361]

Exactly the same as the driver.

6 penalty points and a fine

[joko]

i woudl suggest you dont mention the other person, just take the points etc..but id make your friend pay the fine...and tell him if he doesnt then hes looking at a much more serious fine for all the other crimes he committed...
only tell them about him if it starts looking much more serious for you

i know hes kind of getting away with it...but its really a toss up between him getting his kust deserts... or you getting into much more troubke than necessary

[New Judge]

60 in a 30 limit will not attract a fixed penalty and you will be summonsed to court.

Magistrates' sentencing guidelines suggest a fine of one week's net income (reduced by a third if you plead guilty) plus costs, plus a £15 vivtim surcharge. You will also receive six points or a ban of up to 56 days.

If your deceit is discovered you could be charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice.

[ummmm]

Your insurance company will be rubbing their hands together now they can hike up your premiums...

[awitejez]

thanks again for everyones help and advice
@new judge.. is 56 days the maximum ban? that we could get for driving at that speed then?
also i am a student, so what would that mean for fines etc as income is extremely low
thankyou