Two Speeding Fines on the Same Day in the Same Place

[hozepipe]

Hi, I was recently caught by a mobile speed camera just before the junction of a 30 to 40mph zone at 38mph twice within the space of 30 minutes. Can these two instances be regarded as one offense? I theory I could have been banned before my first NIP hit the mat.

Any advice would be appreciated.

[Ethel]

No, it is two separate offences.

[redcrx]

no, they are 2 seperate offences.

so if in your first 2 years of driving, 2 speeding tickets 30 mins apart can lose you your licence

[Compostella]

Careful Hozepipe, you'll attract loads of unwanted judgmental views with this question.

All those sandal wearers who knit their own yoghurt and drink in wheatjuice bars will be onto you soon nagging away about how you are the devil personfied and should be hung.

Good luck..........

[sara3]

it's easy to be judgemental here, but I think most of us have done this but probably not been caught. I hold my hands up!

this doesn't mean I condone whizzing through residential areas at 50mph, before someone suggests it.

good luck.

[Iamblue]

I was caught twice on succesive days, and picked up 6 points on a licence that had been clean for 30 years. As I used this road of five continuous days, theoretically, I could have lost my licence within a week.

[jake-the-peg]

Yes I was caught in the same way about 6 years ago. Not before or since thankfully but it is a problem with the totting up system.

The whole purpose of the points system is to give someone the chance to modify their behaviour before banning them.

Personally I'd like to see a system wherby you could still get fined for each offense but if a NIP had not been served only the points for the more serious offense would apply.

However I don't think it's likely to attract much support as right now political parties all seem to be playing "I'm tougher than you" in all areas

[New Judge]

This argument has been aired quite a bit and I had an idea that jake would make his view known.

There was a case a few years ago where the driver had committed three speeding offences on the same day (in fact, on the same journey of a couple of hours if my memory serves me correctly). He argued (along the lines that jake outlines) that he had been given no opportunity to �reform� or moderate his behaviour after committing the first offence because he was not aware that he had done so.

The Court of Appeal ruled that, whilst it was desirable for such an opportunity to be provided the law does not make it necessary. Accordingly the appeal was dismissed.

I think the particular case was compounded by the fact that the driver had a previous conviction for speeding (and as such had been given the opportunity to reform) but nonetheless the ruling has been used ever since to counter this argument.

[raysparx1]

We had a case last year in North Wales where a farmers wife was caught 3 times in the same day, she already had I think 6 points, she was banned, appealed and it was thrown out, we all speed at times, but to be caught in a place where she knows the van was, is in my mind just plain stupid.

[jake-the-peg]

Yes it's true this is a bit of a hobby horse of mine. And as NewJudge points out the law does not currently require such an opportunity and so the court of appeal was right to make their judgement.

It is after all not their place to rule on what the law should be ( so saying that it is desirable is actually quite a bold statement ).

It remains one of many illogicalities in the law - I guess there are bigger fish for parliament to fry.

[joggerjayne]

Speeding can be a tricky one.

With a soft top car, if you take the roof down, the wind blows up over the screen, and creates a vortex inside the passenger compartment. This pushes on the inside of the windscreen, and forces the car to go faster.

So ... with the roof off, the car goes fast. Completely unintentionally. You can't do anything about it.

The law should allow for this, and have slightly faster speed limits for sotf top drivers.

[New Judge]

And of course for those travelling downhill, those subject to a tailwind, those texting instead of watching their speedometers, those driving at night in the country with no easy external reference points to utilise, and those with no insurance trying to elude the police.

[jake-the-peg]

Not relevant but I don't think that's true Jane.

The vortex is a lower pressure behind the car and means the car has to use more effort to pust the car through the air.

Open top cars are much less aerodynamic and hence slower.

[lajohn]

does the wind pushes you faster when you're jogging Jane?

[jno]

nothing you can do about it, joggerjayne? I have heard that lifting your foot off the accelerator can have beneficial effects in cases like these.

[windmill1]

sleep easy 2night knowing that drivers going over the speed limit will be caught. but don't go out on the streets in case some nutter is robbin a house or muggin someone or stabbing someone. sleep easy in our green and pleasent land.


ps, make sure all your doors , windows and any other thing you own is locked or bolted down.sleep easy

[hozepipe]

Thanks to those who provided an informative point of view. To the rest - you really should get out more.

[Tichfield]

If I "got out more" I might run into idiots like you who seem to habitually ignore speed lnmits.

LOL

[May57]

Did you not see the mobile speed cameras, where was your observation and reading the road ahead?