Have Non-Muslims Lost The Will To Fight?

[Khandro]

'In thirty years, France has undergone an accelerated process of Islamization.

Yusuf al-Qaradawi, spiritual leader of the main Islamic movement in France, explained how Muslims living in the West have to proceed: they may use terror, they may use seduction, exploit Westerners' sense of guilt, grab public spaces, change laws, and create their own society inside Western societies until they become Muslim societies.

France used to be a country where religious neutrality in the public space was seen as an essential principle. Muslim extremists appear to be using Islamic veils and head-coverings as visible symbols to create the impression that Islam is everywhere.

Politicians claim that they respect human rights, but they seem to have forgotten the human rights of the women who do not cover up -- of those who suffer from Islamization, who are no longer free to write, think, or go for a walk on the street.

Politicians refused to "stigmatize" Islam and do not want to see the consequences: harassment, rapes, the destruction of freedom.

French journalists write under the threat of trial or assault, and almost never use the phrase "Islamic terrorism." Almost all books on Islam in French bookstores are written by Islamists or by authors praising Islam.'

[i] Guy Millière [i]

[mikey4444]

According to my research on Wiki, Islam only represents 6% of the French population, so I am at a loss to see how "France has undergone an accelerated process of Islamization"

[Baldric]

///According to Jean-Paul Gourévitch (fr), there were 7.7 million Muslims( about 11 percent of the population) in metropolitan France in 2011///
Wiki

[mikey4444]

Baldric....there are various interpretations of the amount of Muslims in France, as you can see :::

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_France

But supposing that the figure is 11%, that means that 89% aren't. Considering the French connection with traditional Muslim countries, like Tunisia, Algeria, and other north African countries, that 11% is rather smaller than one might expect.

[Baldric]

Good link Mikey, shows 46% of the population are followers of Islam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_France#Immigrant_population

[Baldric]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_France#Islamic_statistics

[mikey4444]

baldric...how does that square with your 11% ?

[Baldric]

It doesn't, thanks to your links we now know it's a much higher figure than first thought

[mikey4444]

Baldric....well, it can't possibly be 11% and 46% can it !

[Baldric]

Mikey I am typing this slowly so hopefully you will get it, in my 17:19 post I did say that thanks to the link you provided the situation is much higher than either of us thought from our first brief look at the figures

[mikey4444]

I don't think I can add anything more to this thread Khandro !

[naomi24]

//Have Non-Muslims Lost The Will To Fight?//

Up until now complacency has been rife so the 'will to fight' hasn't been an issue. However, I think that is changing.

[jomifl]

The French public are quite capable of dealing with uppity muslims.

[douglas9401]

Oooh, 'uppity', I think the andy_hughes/sp1814 alert just sounded, jomifl.
Won't be long now. :)

[Togo]

I think you may be missing the point. The muslims are not being led by liberal, touch feely, hand wringers, we are. Until the people who are supposed to protect our way of life are brought back into line and do the jobs that they were appointed to do, we will need an uprising of unimaginable violence and anarchy to redress the inertia that they use to cow and control us. Right now, anyone who protests about this state of affairs is liable to arrest for perpetrating hate crimes whilst the muslims preach hate and destruction for us (whilst we pay them benefits and feed and house their families) with impunity. The are still people insisting that we allow more of the same.

[Togo]

Lol @ Douglas :-))

[naomi24]

Togo, //The muslims are not being led by liberal, touch feely, hand wringers, we are.//

We are indeed - but Muslims are taking advantage of it - and who can blame them?

[vetuste_ennemi]

//The French public are quite capable of dealing with uppity muslims.//

But are they, Jom?

Islamisation is the imposition by Muslims or their enablers of Islamic rules and customs on the wider population. After the murder of the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists a lot of people became Charlies for a day (maybe two) and waved pencils about, but not a single mainstream news medium either in France or the rest of the "free" world showed the cartoons which actually caused the death of twelve journalists. My conclusion then was that Sharia blasphemy laws had trumped one of the West's greatest values - freedom of speech. This is just one of many concessions which have been made, and will increasingly be made to appease the bullies in the Muslim communities of Europe. And, as Togo points out, there is this inversion in the applicaton of law whereby subversive hate preachers in mosques go more or less untroubled, but telling the truth about it can get you banged up under some Orwellian "hate crime" law.

//...who can blame them?//

Not "them" indeed, Naomi. It's the enablers. Not a single Western leader excepting the Hungarian bloke) acknowledges that there is a problem.

[THECORBYLOON]

BALDRIC, the 46% is the percentage of immigrants and not the whole population.

[Baldric]

It's quite clear, Islam represents 46% of the population.

[naomi24]

vetuste_ennemi, //Not "them" indeed, Naomi. It's the enablers. Not a single Western leader excepting the Hungarian bloke) acknowledges that there is a problem. //

Precisely!