Cultural Appropriation

andy-hughes | 17:06 Sun 13th May 2018 | ChatterBank

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Following on from the fuss on Twitter about the costume worn by the Eurovision winner - what are people's views on the concept of 'cultural appropriation?

Is it a genuine cause for concern, or simply a load of idiots over-thinking something which simply does not exist?

Your thoughts please.

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Jackdaw33

They do say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. How do you get past that one?

woofgang

golly which culture did she appropriate that one from?

Mamyalynne

Nehru Jacket

The jacket began to be marketed as the Nehru jacket in Europe and America in the mid 1960s. It was briefly popular there in the late 1960s and early 1970s, its popularity spurred by growing awareness of foreign cultures, by the minimalism of the Mod lifestyle and, in particular, by the Beatles and subsequently the Monkees.

Kaftans
In the 1950s, fashion designers such as Christian Dior and Balenciaga adopted the kaftan as a loose evening gown or robe in their collections.[15] These variations were usually sashless.

American hippie fashions of the late 1960s and the 1970s often drew from ethnic styles, including kaftans. These styles were brought to the United States from people who journeyed the so-called "hippie trail"

It's always gone on within fashion and culture - hardly worth getting heated about.

-Talbot-

Pasta didn't answer my question (although she thinks she did)

Twitter has a full spectrum of people and only a certain section of people bang on about cultural appropriation.

I agree that those banging on about it are idiots. I like to click on their profiles and see what there views on other subjects are... there are no surprises when I do.

jno

how could anyone possibly be offended by this sort of thing?

margarettom

My dad brought some beautiful Chinese silk back from Hong Kong and I made it into a cheongsam, which I loved wearing.
Lucky it was the 1960's and 'cultural appropriation' did not exist!
Why is it wrong to admire the dress styles of other countries and want wear them?

-Talbot-

Typical jno post.

I take it world hijab day offends you too, jno?

Jackdaw33

Well certainly not me. How about this one, biting satire not racism or 'cultural appropriation'.

kvalidir

Minstrels and the history of minstrels aren't, I don't think, cultural appropriation, they are outrightly offensive and mocking and meant to be so. The fact that some people remember them fondly doesn't make them any less so either, so my comments about appropriation I would like to add do not iclude things like Minstrel shows.

Togo

^^Bless. Gawd knows how the chimney sweeps and miners ever had a bit of peace.

-Talbot-

It's a good job David Bowie has been and gone... a habitual Cultural Appropriationist if ever I have seen one.

Togo

There is an avatar at 19.55 that smacks of "cultural misappropriation" methinks.

jourdain2

I'd go for the 'load of idiots over-thinking' option.

Mamyalynne

You OK Togo?

ChillDoubt

It’s utter Horlicks.

It’s not a ‘concept’, it’s luvvies looking for a forum to vindicate their mediocre lives and the perpetually offended being outraged on behalf of someone else.

jim360

I mean, it would be a lot easier to talk about Cultural Appropriation if people understood what it is -- and, more importantly, what it is not.

Examples from the other thread:

// By their definition every time we have an Indian or Chinese meal we are guilty of the same offence. //

Nope -- not cultural appropriation.

// I'd better not buy any more soy sauce. I wouldn't want to culturally appropriate the Japanese cuisine. //

Ditto.

// I culturally appropriate anything I fancy... wearing a Salwar suit and eating a Thai curry. Listening to indigenous American chants, drinking Belgian lager. //

Funnily enough, this isn't CA either.

// ... last night's Eurovision winner was guilty of culturally appropriating the dress of Japan. //

Also not CA, which is, to be fair, no-one on AB's mistake.

// ... if ... an African American woman wears her hair naturally and she's told it's ' not professional' etc at work, and then some dozy white Lady wears the same style and is told she's edgy and cool. //

Now we're talking!!

I'm gonna have to leave it there for now, but will be back later. The main point for now is that you can't dismiss something if you don't even know what it is.