Humane Slaughter

[brionon]

On Dutch TV last night:- Many Dutch are eating Hallal meat. Because the Muslims are allowed to Slaughter in their Ritual manner some Slaughterhouses have gone entirely over to this method. The meat is not labelled however so they are eating meat that many would say has been In-humanely slaughtered. Creeping Islam ?
Who says they won't ,eventually ,take over ?

[NJOK]

Me.

[Lonnie]

Its only a matter of time and bloodshed, before it happens.

[NJOK]

This is simple market forces.

Muslims like their meat to be killed in a certain way - or else they won't buy it.

The vast, vast majority of non-Muslims don't care how their meat is killed. They'll buy it whatever.

If non-Muslims decide that they DO care how their meat is killed and disapprove of the Halal method then a lot of Dutch abattoirs will revert to 'humane' slaughter to cater to that part of the market.

It's not as if Dutch slaughterers have been convinced by 'creeping' Islam. They're trying to sell meat.

But if you want to get all histrionic and paranoid about it, please carry on.

[vehelpfulguy]

Many people in the UK are eating Halal food without knowing it.

A friend of mine works at a school canteen. They have a few muslim children but ALL the meat served there is Halal.

My local take away (run by Asians) serves pizza and all the meat pieces put on the pizzas are Halal.

Halal killing means cutting the throat of a live animal so it bleeds to death (banned in a non-Muslim slaughterhouse)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2977086.stm

[Doggy2]

Excuse me! This method of killing is not only unique to muslims! Lonnie I am really surprised you from all people are using this as an opportunity to have yet another bash on muslims!!!

The jews eat kosher and their method of killing the animal is not that "humane" either incase you didn't know. I am sure you know exactly what I mean.

And don't give me that old chesnut that atleast they don't force it upon people like the muslims do. Some of the orthodox jews can not even be seen eating non kosher meals in restaurants as I have known this through experience.

I would really really like to know the "humane" way the animal is treated in other faiths as you put it. Perhaps jewish ones??? hmmm! Anyway why is it that I find kosher and halal sections down my local Tesco Extra stores if it is such an "inhumane" way of killing the animal? Surely they have moral obligations to fulfill.

This is not to take an opportunity to bash other religions or faiths but the hypocrisy here sometimes stinks. Whether is halal or kosher or whatever other methods they use.

[brionon]

Doggy,'' Ya Boo,they do it too'', doesn't make it acceptable.

[Doggy2]

"Creeping Islam ? Who says they won't, eventually, take over ? "

Acceptable or not I don't see you condeming them or are you being selective in your approach.

[brionon]

Doggy,I don't quite get your question. Perhaps if I tell you that I'm a Vegetarian it will help.

[Doggy2]

And I'm a white christian that doesn't banish a religion or faith based on prejudice as it's evident from the last two lines of your post.

The method of the slaughter maybe inhumane in both faiths but the language you use for muslims is utter 'homophobia'.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/29776 78.stm

[mushroom25]

Doggy, sorry but I can't grasp your assertion that phobia of muslims equates to phobia of gays. Please explain.

[keyvan]

Sorry I meant phobia of foreigners especially from certain religion or faith.

[keyvan]

Oooops! Sorry Doggy, Couldn't resist the temptation to answer this question on your behalf.

[Doggy2]

keyvan next time I want a mouth piece I shall ask!
In the mean time don't play the role as my ambassador.

mushroom25, the word that I was looking for to describe brionon's last two sentece towards muslims is 'xenophobia' although you may also get gay muslims in their community. I have said repeatedly that the discrimination against muslims nowadays is tantamount to the discrimination the jews, homosexuals and gypsies witnessed over sixty years ago here in Europe.

[matt66]

ksoher is when all meat prepared is kept away from anything that prepares dairy products.

how is the meat slaughetered in Jewish slaughter houses. I thought it was the non-halal way ie the british way.

correct me if i am wrong lonnie.

[maxximus]

they slaughter the animal in the same way as far as i know, cutting it's throat. although i'm sure they use a different prayer as part of the ritual. i am not jewish or muslim so i am not clear on specifics.

[Doggy2]

In jewish faith there's usually a rabbi that gets paid to make certain things kosher. (usually quite handosomely) Not sure if he carries out a ritual like saying a prayer before it becomes kosher.

[johnizere]

kosher...I once was doing some building work in a slaughterhouse and a rabbi (I think he was a rabbi by the way he was dressed) came in to slaughter some animals. He had what I can only describe as a sword, and a sharpening stone, which he placed under his chin, and then proceeded to sharpe his "sword" like playing a violin!...at the same time he was muttering some prayers, and then cut the throat of the cow which was held upside down in a cage like device. There was no gun, no stun, nothing but the sword. He then did the same to some sheep, with a smaller blade. I must say it seemed very quick, much quicker than some halal butchers I have had the misfortune to witness. I apologise for being a little graphic in my description, but that's the reality,

[brionon]

Doggy, Homophobia ? I'll never make sense of your messages. I'm neither afraid of Men nor Homosexuals as you imply. I do, however,admit to having a dislike of All the Three Abraham Religions. Don't I have that Right ?

[Doggy2]

Are we having a bit of of a slow start today brionon??? If you bothered to read I have already explained that it was a typo and I meant xenophobia. If you can't understand that then it's not my problem!

[Clanad]

It's unfortunate tha Lonnie didn't provide a response to Doggy2 since his/her comments concerning Kosher methods of animal slaughter are simply incorrect.
Ritual slaughter is known as shechitah, and the person who performs the slaughter is called a shochet, both from the Hebrew root Shin-Chet-TavI, meaning to destroy or kill. The method of slaughter is a quick, deep stroke across the throat with a perfectly sharp blade with no nicks or unevenness. This method is painless, causes unconsciousness within two seconds, and is widely recognized as the most humane method of slaughter possible.

Another advantage of shechitah is that ensures rapid, complete draining of the blood, which is also necessary to render the meat kosher.

The shochet is not simply a butcher; he must be a pious man, well-trained in Jewish law, particularly as it relates to kashrut(Jewish dietary law). In smaller, more remote communities, the rabbi and the shochet were often the same person...