Black or White, immigration & passport controls, haven't a clue.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.express.co...as-white-for-22-years

How has this illegal immigrant managed to live in this country for 22 years, not only under a false identity, but also pretending she was white when it was obvious she wasn't?

Apparently she refused to give her proper name or from what country she came from to a court of law, I think in cases such as this she should have been given a stiffer sentence than the nine months she got.for the fraudulent use of a ­passport,after all she is in this country illegally.

She will no doubt serve about 5 months, then be allowed to stay in this country, so she and her partner, TV and film producer Tom ­Henderson, can live happy ever after.

[sandyRoe]

Which is the worst crime, masquerading as white or coming here illegally?

[hc4361]

She wasn't pretending to be white. Her passport showed a photo of herself.
How do we know she is an illegal immigrant? That is just conjecture.

[jno]

how did I guess who started this thread...

You imagine a world in which everyone is black and white like the typescript on this page. It's seldom like that; 'white' people are often dark-skinned (and for your purpose I expect a suntanned Spaniard would be 'white'), 'black' people are often quite pale - 'high yellow' they used to be called in the States (by racists, mostly). There are plenty of examples of people misclassified under apartheid, and in pre-1960s USA.

I imagine you could tell them apart in an instant with your home-built raceometer, though?

[pa___ul3]

22 years is a good effort to be fair! She may have been a model citizen over that time , if so, it would be a shame if she were deported and had her life taken from her.

[jno]

quite so, pa___ul, you'd think MI5 would jump at the chance of hiring her, with her experience in disguise.

[emmie]

something about it in my paper but it says the black woman had stolen the ID of the Mrs Keast, obtaining a copy of the Mrs Keasts birth certificate, and was obviously able to apply for a passport in that name. And had been using that passport to travel the world, over the last 15 years. Only until the original Mrs Keast came to renew her passport was the deception discovered. It also says that the Mrs Keast had been known by her married name, Payton, so no one caught on presumably.

[Sqad]

jno ...this is not a matter of black and white, but a matter of Negroid and Caucasian.........a subtle difference. Her passport photograph was of Caucasian features and she had Negroid features.
Surely easy meat for passport control.

Another sarcastic final sentence for AOG

This is becoming your trade mark.....quite a nasty trademark.

[anotheoldgit]

jno

/// how did I guess who started this thread... ///

And how did I guess the response it would get?

You and your ilk are oh so predictable.

[emmie]

it also says the bogus woman was only caught when coming back into Britain, by the immigration service, she has been given 9 months in jail. Whats galling is the defence is that the woman is suffering from depression and mental health fragilities, whatever that means.

Very few would know their ID had been hacked, its just too easy

[jackthehat]

Her passport had her photograph in it.
It was the name and details which were 'stolen'.

[sandyRoe]

I suppose the stress of living a lie for 22 years would eventually take its toll. Hence the depression and mental health fragilities.

[emmie]

It doesn't say that the photo in the passport was of a white woman,
not anywhere i can see. Just that she had used the white womans ID

[Sqad]

em10

<<<<THE scandal of an identity thief’s 22-year deception ended when immigration officers finally ­spotted that she was black and the woman she impersonated was white.>>>

I presumed that the immigration officers noticed the difference in the passport document.

I assumed so....possibly incorrectly.

[hc4361]

I think the photo of the genuine woman appeared on screen at passport control.
Don't forget that to get on a plane you have to show your passport several times. It is usual to show your passport in some hotels, when hiring a car, or using a credit card abroad.
If she did have a passport with the white woman's photo, or any white woman's photo, somebody would have noticed before now.

[anotheoldgit]

/// This is becoming your trade mark.....quite a nasty trademark.///

What's that sqad, daring to comment on illegal practices, if they happen to be committed by a person with a dark skin, criticising our lax immigration controls, or the light sentences, that the courts hand out?

Please enlighten me.

[jackthehat]

<snigger>..........

You manage to get it the wrong way round when someone IS on your side, AOG......

[ummmm]

White people do bad things too.

[Sqad]

AOG...you have missed my point......my fault probably.


<<<This is becoming your trade mark.....quite a nasty trademark<<<<.

That was aimed at jno whose final remark in her post to you was sarcastic and this supplemented her sarcastic ultimate statement to me in another thread some 30 mins ago.

[jno]

"this is not a matter of black and white, but a matter of Negroid and Caucasian.........a subtle difference. Her passport photograph was of Caucasian features and she had Negroid features."

Where does it say anything of the sort, Sqad?

As far as I can see from the reports, she used her own photo and someone else's name. It's only the Express, and aog, that have seen some relevance in the woman's colour. Or do you have another source of information?

[Sqad]

jno..see my post above 17.09