Oh The Irony...

[bazwillrun]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6890867/Neil-Kinnock-says-it-is-difficult-to-see-Jeremy-Corbyn-as-electable.html

Well if anybody should know !...

[webbo3]

Replace difficult with impossible.



Dave.

[naomi24]

Nothing like the voice of experience. ;o)

[youngmafbog]

Hmm, that one is actually quite interesting.

I wonder what the labour party is actually up to?

[naomi24]

Food for thought here:

http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/simon-sebag-montefiore-jeremy-corbyn-s-world-view-is-founded-on-the-left-s-hatred-of-the-west-a3166286.html

[ichkeria]

He's a great historian, but it isn't that simple.

It doesn't explain the fascination among elements of the right with autocratic regimes such as Milosevic (and yet, interestingly, detestation of the supposedly "authoritarian" EU), which is probably based on warped nationalist ideals. (See the Canadian globalresearch website, where a lot of this nonsense is spouted)
Nor does it explain "leftie" Andy Burnham berating, with justfication, our "right wing" government for its attempts to cover up the Litvinenko affair, and its slow response to the findings. Of course the govt has reasons for that which are not linked to the things Simon S-B rightly mentions, but that isn;t the point.
Political hang-ups and philosophies do not follow "left" and "right" so easily.
Corbyn I would say is more of a naive idealist than a "west hater". He chooses to surround himself with them though. And he seems to be a source of great fascination with the right :-)

[ToraToraTora]

first sensible thing the old WWB has said!

[andy-hughes]

If you pick the bones out of Lord Kinnock's observation, the conclusion appears to be -

"We got Jeremy by some horrible 'chasing your quarry over a cliff' election debacle, and we're stuck with him for the time being.

Everyone who knows anything about politics knows that we haven't a snowball-in-hell's chance of a sniff at victory while he is leader, but we can't be seen to be offloading him with unseemly haste, that will just make us look even more hopeless, if that is possible.

All we can do is wait a decent amount of time, and the quietly drop him and bring in a more suitable individual as party leader.

Oh God, I haven't though this through have I........!!!!!!

[Baldric]

LMAO!

[ichkeria]

The party can't "offload Corbyn" .Like him or loathe him, he has a mandate from a large section of the "party". Trying to ditch him now would not work. All that can be done is bide time until a series of probable disastrous defeats or failures to make inroads in key areas.
Meanwhile the Tories would love to see Labour split - the press would love to see blood on the carpet. But the boring reality is Corbyn is stuck with his PLP and they are stuck with him for now. Therefore the only option really is to sit it out for now. Disappointing for some I know :-)

[retrocop]

//Disappointing for some I know :-)//

And for others the best £3 ever invested:-)

[ichkeria]

The "part time Labourites" who voted for Corbyn and the "others" I feel will ultimately share the same disappointment. But it won't come quickly.
And nor should it

[andy-hughes]

I understand that Mr Corbyn has the mandate to lead the party - but that still does not render him an electable proposition, and the party will have no compunction in ditching him when the time comes.

It will of course be aided by his principled, but seriously out-of-touch decisions and policies, which mean that even die-hard supporters will have to abandon him for the greater good of the party as a whole.

[Baldric]

But in the meantime ;o)

[andy-hughes]

In the mean time Baldric, Mr Corbyn will lead Labour to the political abyss, and depending how much power he actually controls, he may push them over it, into the political wilderness that will last for this generation, and possibly a couple more after.

[youngmafbog]

Unfortunately this also means that no one is there to hold Cameron and Gideon to proper account.

A good Government is made by a united and strong opposition that is able to tackle difficult issues, supporting the Government when it is correct and opposing when not.

All these rushed in things like credit, pension changes etc are also the fault of labour due to their failure in not being able to formulate a proper strong argument and alternative. Quoting Ada from Newcastle is not a strong argument, it is a joke.