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How Will The Leave Conditions Be Negotiated?
Much has been made of how we will negotiate an advantageous deal to leave the EU.
But how many realise the true situation? We will not be in a position to demand terms, we will be told by the other members what we have to do and the conditions of exit
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I know this is from the' Torygraph ' so hardly unbiased. But I am sure most of it is true, the EU are NOT going to just allow us to walk away with a good deal, we will be made to pay and the price will be heavy!
But how many realise the true situation? We will not be in a position to demand terms, we will be told by the other members what we have to do and the conditions of exit
http://
I know this is from the' Torygraph ' so hardly unbiased. But I am sure most of it is true, the EU are NOT going to just allow us to walk away with a good deal, we will be made to pay and the price will be heavy!
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We will not even have a representative as Lord Hill the UK commissioner at the EU has resigned with immediate effect and will not be replaced! Only commissioners not MEPS can negotiate! Farage has already been banned from any role in the negotiations!
We will be forced to accept whatever deal the EU are prepared to offer and it will be HARSH !!!!
We will be forced to accept whatever deal the EU are prepared to offer and it will be HARSH !!!!
Woofgang, from your interesting and informative link .
''First the European Council without the UK, would agree guidelines for negotiation'' So there you have it we do not even get a say in what they are prepared to offer us. We will get a take it or leave it ultimatum which we have no option but to accept.
''First the European Council without the UK, would agree guidelines for negotiation'' So there you have it we do not even get a say in what they are prepared to offer us. We will get a take it or leave it ultimatum which we have no option but to accept.
We will not be allowed a situation as good as Norway has. Ours will be a lot worse.
Jackdaw33 we could in theory just do as you and others have suggested. But that would mean the rest of the world sees us as a country that does not keep to its treaties , negotiations and trade conditions. We will be unable to conclude any type of international agreement. Other countries will fear we will just 'screw' them in the same way we did to the EU. It will utterly destroy us as a world player.
Jackdaw33 we could in theory just do as you and others have suggested. But that would mean the rest of the world sees us as a country that does not keep to its treaties , negotiations and trade conditions. We will be unable to conclude any type of international agreement. Other countries will fear we will just 'screw' them in the same way we did to the EU. It will utterly destroy us as a world player.
Not for the first time, Eddie, you seem to have grasped the wrong end of the stick.
There are no “conditions” to be met for our leaving. We simply leave on a date of our choosing. This could be tomorrow if we chose, but it won’t, because of this:
The “negotiations” to which you refer are to hammer out the details of our future relationship with what remains of the EU. It would be foolish to simply walk away with no notice. It would help neither side because we (and the rest) have certain rights and responsibilities as members and it is right and proper that these should be terminated in a controlled fashion. It is a little more complicated than resigning from a gentlemen’s club. Furthermore, as you rightly point out, it would do our credibility no good at all to chuck a tantrum. However, It is also proper that we should have no representation within the EU at these negotiations. They are negotiations between the UK and the EU (without the UK) and it would not be appropriate for us to influence their position. (Imagine divorce negotiations where the husband has influence over the wife’s solicitor when a settlement is being reached).
There is no need for either side to be childish and I believe they won’t be. Trade between the UK and the other EU countries is mutually beneficial and will continue to be so. Also bear in mind that the rest of the EU has a huge trade surplus with the UK (they sell to us far more than we do to them). It is in nobody’s interests to jeopardise this trade.
You paint a very dark picture and you seem filled with pessimism. As I have said before, in ten years’ time observers will look back and wonder what all the fuss was about. The UK will prosper having forged a different but equally advantageous relationship with the rest of Europe as well as pursuing its own agenda elsewhere in the world (which we presently cannot do). Europe will have gone its own way. Personally I believe the EU will not exist in ten years’ time – certainly not in its current form anyway. The euro will in all probability have been rightfully consigned to the dustbin. We will not be unaffected by all this, but to cope with the chaos we will be able to take decisions that are in our interests alone.
I am amazed that younger people voted to remain. I thought they had more go in them and would not be keen to be shackled to a moribund, shrinking, chaotic economy whose leaders should not be trusted to run a whelk stall, let alone a continent. I thought they’d prefer instead to strike out in the wider world (the rest of which has a population almost fifteen times that of the EU). But I suppose it all depends on what they’ve been told and what they believe. The next two or three years will be rocky and there will be turbulent times ahead. Few people much over 65 will reap the full rewards of last Thursday’s decision. But (provided the government gets on with the separation and stops fannying around, worrying about a new leader and who signs the letter of resignation) the next generation will thank us oldies for dragging them out of the 1950s in 2016.
There are no “conditions” to be met for our leaving. We simply leave on a date of our choosing. This could be tomorrow if we chose, but it won’t, because of this:
The “negotiations” to which you refer are to hammer out the details of our future relationship with what remains of the EU. It would be foolish to simply walk away with no notice. It would help neither side because we (and the rest) have certain rights and responsibilities as members and it is right and proper that these should be terminated in a controlled fashion. It is a little more complicated than resigning from a gentlemen’s club. Furthermore, as you rightly point out, it would do our credibility no good at all to chuck a tantrum. However, It is also proper that we should have no representation within the EU at these negotiations. They are negotiations between the UK and the EU (without the UK) and it would not be appropriate for us to influence their position. (Imagine divorce negotiations where the husband has influence over the wife’s solicitor when a settlement is being reached).
There is no need for either side to be childish and I believe they won’t be. Trade between the UK and the other EU countries is mutually beneficial and will continue to be so. Also bear in mind that the rest of the EU has a huge trade surplus with the UK (they sell to us far more than we do to them). It is in nobody’s interests to jeopardise this trade.
You paint a very dark picture and you seem filled with pessimism. As I have said before, in ten years’ time observers will look back and wonder what all the fuss was about. The UK will prosper having forged a different but equally advantageous relationship with the rest of Europe as well as pursuing its own agenda elsewhere in the world (which we presently cannot do). Europe will have gone its own way. Personally I believe the EU will not exist in ten years’ time – certainly not in its current form anyway. The euro will in all probability have been rightfully consigned to the dustbin. We will not be unaffected by all this, but to cope with the chaos we will be able to take decisions that are in our interests alone.
I am amazed that younger people voted to remain. I thought they had more go in them and would not be keen to be shackled to a moribund, shrinking, chaotic economy whose leaders should not be trusted to run a whelk stall, let alone a continent. I thought they’d prefer instead to strike out in the wider world (the rest of which has a population almost fifteen times that of the EU). But I suppose it all depends on what they’ve been told and what they believe. The next two or three years will be rocky and there will be turbulent times ahead. Few people much over 65 will reap the full rewards of last Thursday’s decision. But (provided the government gets on with the separation and stops fannying around, worrying about a new leader and who signs the letter of resignation) the next generation will thank us oldies for dragging them out of the 1950s in 2016.
No equal pay for women; no contraceptive pill; no central heating or indoor lavvies; food rationing; smog in the towns and cities; the Cold War. Even in the 50s my local evening paper ran a Christmas campaign to supply shoes to children who had none.
No support for battered women. The list goes on when you take your rose tinted specs off
No support for battered women. The list goes on when you take your rose tinted specs off
If I was the PM, I wouldn't pull Article 50 until I was ready to and make the Bruxellois sweat for some months, time to get our ducks in a row and also to see what happens to other countries pulling referendums, (nb the thread on a UK Nordic trading bloc), never mind France going financially tits up.
I think, hc, that you are confusing the 50s with the 20s. We always had an indoor lavvie, a proper bath, rationing ended in 1954, and only continued after the war due to the incompetence of the Attlee government, the Clean Air Act got rid of the smog, and I never went without shoes. My father was a labourer and my mother stayed at home.
hc think you will find that all things in your post were available long before we joined the EU.
Having just read the link in this post, it is what I have been saying I hope for since the referendum took place.
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Having just read the link in this post, it is what I have been saying I hope for since the referendum took place.
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