DC is going to free us from the Human Rights Act (Europe)

[Bobbisox]

he says..
or is this a vote catcher in the coming Elections?

[Old_Geezer]

Human rights are very important to us. But the unreasonable restrictions on our actions that seem to stem from what some European committee claims are human rights, are a different matter altogether.

Personally I wouldn't trust any government to do the right thing, only what benefits the party in power.

[Bobbisox]

which is why I saw this as "vote catching" OG

[tamborine]

I cant see whether this man jailed, or is he still free on our streets ?

[starone]

Surely they should lose rights by breaking the law and being here illegally?

[Old_Geezer]

If one is referring to that which is agreed to be a genuine human right, then you can not take that away until the individual concerned ceases to be human; by definition. That part of a discussion is pointless.

[Bobbisox]

he is illegal and should be sent back to his country of origin imo

[Barmaid]

Hmmm, I am not sure whether the point is that you lose your "human rights" if you
a) commit a crime or
b) are here illegally.

I once watched a case in the Crown Court. A woman had been arrested coming into the country on illegal papers. (So she's got both - here illegally and committed a crime). She had come from Somalia (I think). She had been gang raped and tortured. She had watched the same happen to her 8 year old daughter before she watched her being murdered. Her two young sons managed to escape with their father and made their way through Holland to the UK. After several years this woman was able to track them down. She walked for nine months before managing to get here on forged papers where she was arrested.

So where do you draw the line at who is entitled to human rights? In my view, this woman was as much entitled to both human rights and asylum as anyone, but not if one applies the logic that she was here illegally or had committed a crime.

[mazie]

That's terrible BM and has me close to tears :o(

[Bobbisox]

where indeed BM, while I see the point of all posters, this man has a string of offences to is name and has been refused asylum here, perhaps he thought by fathering a couple of kids he was ok, I feel incredibly sorry for Amy's parents, she was their only child

[Gromit]

There are 3 people's Human Rights in this story. One is a criminal, and two are completely innocent - his two children. The reason he is allowed to stay is because the children have a right to live here aNd the children have a right to be near their father. If you punish him by deporting him, you are punishing the children. You may say that is his fault, but punishinG the children for the sins of the father is very draconian and old testament.

[tamborine]

It's imperialistic to guage others lives by our standards.

[Bobbisox]

a very good point Gromit and one which I have taken on board too

[Barmaid]

And those offences have a penalty prescribed by law which he has undoubtedly served or is serving.

In any event, the fault here is not with the HR Act. It was gross incompetence which led to this. Had the UK Border Agency made an application for his deportation on his release from prison (which was in 2003 or 4) it probably would have happened. They didn't. Thus he moved on with his life, settled down, had kids etc etc. So it is not really blame that can really be laid at the HR Act's door.

[Bobbisox]

so it appears the UK BA did not do their jobs properly ?

[Barmaid]

Absolutely. If an application had been made at the time for his deportation I have no doubt he would have been deported. They didn't. They cocked up. Unfortunately, the Daily Star didn't see fit to print those details.

[Bobbisox]

ha-ha, not a paper I read at all BM but I looked from where the story was coming from to suppoert my thoughts and theis paper was the one that came up
thank you for the input

[Bobbisox]

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[youngmafbog]

As I said in another post. I suspect it is all to do with pampering to the minority liberal party especially the likes of the limp writed Cable (And we all know what a 'laying' a Cable is ! )

I for one am exrtemley dissappointed. It is not what I voted for and Cameron needs to get a spine. If the liberals want to force another vote fine, they will be the ultimate loosers so let them have it.

More of this, of course, is what we can expect if AV is adopted

[TTG]

It needs to be reviewed so criminals cannot benefit from it.