87% of new jobs go to immigrants. Did you vote Tory for that?

[Gromit]

// In the first year of the Coalition, 87 per cent of the 400,000 newly created jobs have gone to immigrants — as Britons fail to chase work, according to new official figures uncovered by the Governments' Poverty Tsar. //

That's a bit of a shocking statistic. I am sure Cameron never had that in his manifesto.

Any explainations?

[samak]

Welfare payments are too high.

[jno]

Brits are lazy

[YT52]

More Tory bashing Gromit?
jno, you're obviously not British.
No link Gromit? difficult to determine the veracity of such a statement.

[YT52]

Was it the Daily Mail.....http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti
cle-2005691/Migrants-taking-9-10-new-jobs-ele
ction-coalition-poverty-czar-reveals.html?ito
=feeds-newsxml

[YT52]

http://www.dailymail....tml?ito=feeds-newsxml

[Answerprancer]

"jno, you're obviously not British".
It doesn't *have* to take a 'non British' person to make a statement like that.
(or a 'lefty', before you say it)

[YT52]

Agreed, but it does take a disillusioned individual to make such a broad sweeping remark, one that has perhaps no interest or even a dislike of the British.
...And Gromits reputation as a liberal hand wringer precedes him.

[emmie]

good to see such bonhomie this time of the day.

[Quizmonster]

I see you've been a member of AnswerBank for less than three weeks, YT. Had you been around for rather longer, you may have spotted that it is usually the right-w(h)ingers here who constantly complain about how it was the LABOUR government that allowed so many immigrants arriving and acquiring jobs here. Gromit is simply making the point that things would appear not to have changed very much in the year since the present lot took over.

[emmie]

who seems to have got most of the jobs building the Olympic park, and the endless road works, some British workers, but how many from overseas, do we not have any skilled carpenters, brick layers, electricians here, i would say we do, and why do some employers choose foreign workers over British, perhaps its that they are cheaper, maybe off the books, If the foreign workers are more skilled in particular fields that might explain it, but i really don't believe that.
After WW2 it was reported that we had to bring in people from the West Indies to do the jobs that the British wouldn't do, conveniently forgetting the manpower shortage. Once the war was over many women who had filled those jobs, whilst the men were away fighting, were encouraged to go back into the home. But many men didn't come home. Not all British people are lazy, and i get totally peed off when this keeps on cropping up. If the ones that are lazy, then stop the benefits, because it just encourages them to stay on it.

[youngmafbog]

Gromit, as you well know it is a left over from the last LABOUR government. It will take time to address all the mistakes they made and since they nearly bankcrupted the country there is precious little money to fix it with.

However inroads are being made into adjusting benefit payments that will in the long term make it more attractive to work. But it will not happen overnight. And I know you know that too.

YT, There are an element of Brits who have become very lazy. This was fuelled by Noo labour dishing out tax payers (ie those who work) money to every Tom Dick and Abdhul.

[R1Geezer]

The basic problem is that we have a 120bn WSS budget. Low pay means that it's not worth a lot of them working. I applaud the hard working immigrants that take those jobs but if we where not awash with them employers would have to pay more to get indeginous workers, ie, I know it's heresy among the lefties but market forces would soon get those jobs filled. I don;t think Brits are inherently lazy but generations of state molly coddling has made it easier to not work.

[RATTER15]

In my field we employ foreign workers for exactly the same pay and conditions as the English, all above board. we constantly advertise in the job centres but often get very few replies, also when we interview and offer these jobs to English they just don't turn up for work on the first day or they leave with a few days or a few weeks, we never have this problem with foreign staff and it really pains me to be able to say that!!

[emmie]

ratter it pains me to read that too. Has anyone considered that in the very very long term state benefits are not the answer to all our prayers, i shouldn't say that, but it does breed into you a kind of dependency. It was a great idea initially, to get the poor out of poverty, and they most definitely needed to sort out the squalor many lived in, poor housing, poor nutrition, but much of that has changed but the attitude hasn't, and new labour has done its level best to just increase more and more benefits to ever more people.

[Gromit]

YMB,

Any estimate how long before the Government's policies take effect? Apparently, Labour's policies are still in effect (makes you wonder why we bother with elections), will the new Government's have any effect anytime soon? Two years? Four years?

They promised us British jobs for British workers. Spectacular fail.

[venator]

Facts of life - employers take on keen people who have a work ethic, and avoid half hearted whingers.

The people who come here to work (as against the foreign spongers) have demonstrated their keenness by getting off their backsides.

[Old_Geezer]

Market forces are not a panacea for all commercial ills. Relying on it ensures a cruel environment where the weak are pushed into having to do what most of us would shun. It is reasonable that government applies controls where they believe it in morally required. That said the market does seem to be manipulated against the labourforce in that for most things apparently it is held up as the arbiter of the correct level, such as, say, price; yet when it comes the cost of labour and apparently it is ok to encourage those from lower cost/pay countries to come over and take what appears to be to them, generous wages, effectively allowing the employer to avoid the local market influence. That is a flawed system, it should be much more difficult to move labour around the world.

Whilst there may be some UK citizens who are just lazy, I think it must be a small hard core of folk. Probably no having too great an affect on the economy as a whole. There will be another group that have tried and lost the confidence and/or enthusiasm to get kicked down again; and so no longer bother. But the majority of those who can work and are available to, are in my opinion, either already in work or actively looking for it. The problem they have is that they need a job that pays sufficient for them and their family to live on in the UK, for a normal number of hours a week, in reasonable conditions. And not everyone can find such a position.

Sure the Welfare system should support those in need, enough to live on, but not so comfortably that they have no incentive to take up their responsibility to get a job and contribute to society; but at the same time any job position needs to offer sufficient above that minimum level welfare to be attractive. And I'm unconvinced that is always the case.

[Gromit]

Conservative Election manifesto: page 21 -

[ We do not need to attract people to do jobs that could be carried out by british citizens, given the right training and support. So we will take steps to take net migration back to the levels of the 1990s – tens of thousands a year, not hundreds of thousands. ]

[Old_Geezer]

I think your reaction to their offer is more important.