Is afghanistan, america's vietnam II?

[Gromit]

The US is to announce it is withdrawing from Afghanistan. It is hardly mission accomplished. Not quite as bad as Vietnam, but there is a hint of running away hurt. And the UK's objectives have not been accomplished either. Most people would admit the whole mission was a mistake (please feel free to prove me wrong).

What positives can the US (and the UK) take from this misadventure?

[Count-A-Strong]

Weapons training? Little else.

[DrFilth]

maybe the big noises in the army and raf came from a poor area and their local library had no history books due to government cutbacks

[sandyRoe]

A lesson for our American cousins: Think before you act.
A thought our government might consider: Don't be so sycophantic to our cousins.

[Gromit]

Ah yes, weapons being proved in the theatre of war is good for export sales to third world despotic nations. Look out for those EuroFighter sales to Rwanda being announced any day.

[R1Geezer]

it's nothing like Vietnam. The West has tried to help this sh1t h0le to no avail, only a lefty anti western idiot would comprehend any similarity. Like all these Islamic sh1te h0les they don't want help. We should have realised it earlier and let them kill each other. I suppose you are going to try and dress it up as some sort of "defeat" I say it's like trying to help an old lady across the road that we realised finally did not want to cross.

[venator]

I've put up a post on this - learn from history, or be condemned to repeat it.
war is the national sport of Afghanistan. Many great nations have fought there, been worn down and gone away. The Russians were the last lot.

What are the positives?

Perhaps USA and UK will learn at last to keep their noses out of wars they can't win.

[sandyRoe]

Could planes have prevented the massacres there a few years back?

[Gromit]

Sandy
The US have been a little more cautious in Libya, where it is the Italian and UK (under the NATO flag) bombing innocent civilians. So they might have learned.

[Gromit]

R1Geezer,

You are aware we INVADED Afghanistan? Yes?

[R1Geezer]

So gromit are they actually targetting civilians then? Why do you hate your own side so much, ahh I see now....

[Count-A-Strong]

Glad we agree

[R1Geezer]

you twist the reality and intentions to support your own treacherous views Gromit. So you are a Taliban supporter are you? Yes the West invaded to try and Civilise the place, you preferred the Taliban regime obviously.

[Gromit]

R1Geezer,

You don't see. We should be nowhere near Libya, let alone proving how crap our laser targetting technology is. The Syrian Regime is equally as bad as Gadaffi but we just whisper our disapproval at them. Can you explain why we are not doing to Syria, what we are doing to Gadaffi's Libya?

[R1Geezer]

you think you are being clever Gromit, your every disgusting lefty utterance insults us, can you ever say anything good about our forces? After all it is people like them that create the conditions for marxists like you to hate them in safety.

[DrFilth]

just love them laser guided bombs



that reminds me of a song

[Gromit]

My friend the Geezer,

The US (GW Bush) were eager to make friends with the Taliban, and talks took place in Texas (note the date in the link).

http://news.bbc.co.uk...d/west_asia/37021.stm

Clinton had been bombing the f**k out of the Taliban training camps in Afghanistan (no US or UK loses) in 1996. When Bush got in, instead he invited them round for tea and buiscuits.

[DrFilth]

hit the target and win the game
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rekuWIKr55A

[flobadob]

They've covered the atrocities up better this time around. Sometimes the Americans learn from their mistakes.

[R1Geezer]

yes and we sold them arms to fight the ruskies, yada yada yada. Are all your friends still your friends? According to you, you can never change your view on something. We can't say radiation is bad now because in 1913 we said it was good, right oh!, you lefties crack me up!

[jno]

Geezer, just like the Americans invaded Vietnam. To help them resist the wiles of communism, just like we wanted to help the noble Afghans resist the wicked Taliban. Turned out - in both cases - that if we'd asked first we might have found that neither wanted our help. So a lesson not learnt.

Seems to me the peope who sent soldieers there to die in vain are the ones doing British forces most harm.