Isn't there anyone willing to stand up for the English?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail....harge-9-000-year.html

How can this be allowed, surely this is university apartheid?

/// They will be particularly unhappy about the EU arrangements which allow students from anywhere in Europe to get a free education, provided they are not English. ///

Is this not a breach of European Convention on Human Rights, section one, article 14 ?

/// The enjoyment of the rights and freedoms set forth in this Convention shall be secured without discrimination on any ground such as sex, race, colour, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, association with a national minority, property, birth or other status.///

[Gromit]

Trig,

But if a Scottish student goes to France and does not have to pay, then a reciptrical arrangement can happen for French students studying in Scotland. If England charge high fees to people from Scotland and the EU, we should not be surprised when they want to charge English students the same.

[emmie]

There does seem to be a degree of unfairness in this system,

[Sqad]

rich....I disagree......University Education is a privilege NOT a right and needs to be paid for by someone....taxpayer or individual.

I assume that as a UK taxpayer, i am providing free education for all including the rich of the EEC......I find that....disturbing.

[rich47]

Go for it gromit, you are spot on

[Zeuhl]

It is always the same when you create disparities across 'borders'.

Tobacconists and Offies in SE England go broke while people travel to France to stock up on cheap cigs and booze.

Now the Scots are guarding against a deluge of English people looking to take advantage of enlightened education policy over the regressive policies enacted in England which is bound to be much greater than demand from other EU countries.
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[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// If a Scottish student comes to England to study they have to pay £9000 a year, so why do you expect Scotland to supply a free education to English students? ///

Because English universities charge everyone, no one is excluded, as apparently only the English are in Scotland.

Are you really an Englishman Gromit?

[rich47]

It only became a privilege and not a right when some Labour numty by the name of Blair pointlessly decided that a high %age of youngsters should go to university.
So they are all there doing a variety of useless courses while we have no plumbers, electricians or mechanics.

[Gromit]

My passport says I'm British.

[Sqad]

rich....I agree entirely.

[THECORBYLOON]

"Because English universities charge everyone, no one is excluded, as apparently only the English are in Scotland."

Ulster folk and Welsh folk will have to pay too.

[emmie]

Zeuhl, if the government didn't smack people with so much tax on cigarettes, and booze, then perhaps people will still buy from them, and wouldn't need to travel across the channel to buy it, thus keeping the off licences and other outlets going.

and i ask again, who pays for the free education that the Scottish students receive.

[Zeuhl]

and who pays for welsh free prescriptions etc

Economic devolution is a whole different can o worms

[rich47]

Scottish education as the Scottish is the responsibility of the Scottish Government and is funded out of the block grant returned to Scotland under the Barnet formula.
When Scotland is fiscally independent the taxpayers will be liable (all of them including, inter alia, the oil companies) for financing Scottish financial affairs.

[rich47]

sorry first line should read Scottish education as the Scottish Health Service is ...
and em your butler would make a fine caddy I am sure

[emmie]

unlikely he'd see that as a step too far

[anotheoldgit]

If it is perfectly legal by EU laws for Scotland to charge only English students for their education at Scottish universities, then surely it should be perfectly legal for England to charge certain nationalities to live here?

Perhaps we could then use the additional income to give our students free entrance into English universities?

[Zeuhl]

<<it should be perfectly legal for England to charge certain nationalities to live here?>>

We already make such charges.

They are called taxes.
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[slaney]

My understanding of EU regulations is that any foreign student has to be treated the same as those of the host country. So when my son studied in Dublin, he paid no tuition fees, the Irish government having abolished them the same year as the British government brought them in. When my Irish niece came to university here she had to pay tuition fees the same as UK students.
I'm not sure, unless something has changed recently, that EU students coming here get their tuition free.

[rov1100]

I blame it all on the ruling class. In Scotland they are run by Alex Salmond who looks and sounds like an ordinary bloke.

Compare that with the toffs in England who speak common but are all millionairres and went to Eton. They are all in it together and that doesn't include the likes of us.