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Should these vigilantes be allowed?
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http://www.dailymail....ons-defy-rioters.html
The police may not be appearing to take a positive approach to the problem of these mobs on our streets, but should vigilante groups be allowed, brandishing their illegal weapons?
How long would the police tolerate bands of other vigilantes to stand guard outside their premises carrying shot guns or even air weapons?
In a ITV report it stated,
/// Deputy Assistant Commissioner Steve Kavanagh, from the Metropolitan Police, said they were not helping matters.///
/// He said: "What I don't need is these so-called vigilantes, who appeared to have been drinking too much and taking policing resources away from what they should have been doing - which is preventing the looting." ///
The police may not be appearing to take a positive approach to the problem of these mobs on our streets, but should vigilante groups be allowed, brandishing their illegal weapons?
How long would the police tolerate bands of other vigilantes to stand guard outside their premises carrying shot guns or even air weapons?
In a ITV report it stated,
/// Deputy Assistant Commissioner Steve Kavanagh, from the Metropolitan Police, said they were not helping matters.///
/// He said: "What I don't need is these so-called vigilantes, who appeared to have been drinking too much and taking policing resources away from what they should have been doing - which is preventing the looting." ///
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Brenden - Andy's use of the word 'Novelty' is perfectly acceptable; your inference as to what it means seems to have misled you.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/novelty
In rather the same way the using the word Vigilante in the OP was an attempt to mislead the rest of us.....
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/novelty
In rather the same way the using the word Vigilante in the OP was an attempt to mislead the rest of us.....
Brenden - I have also neve been involved in any civil disobedience - with a similar upbringing, my dad just thought he was an RSM!!!
In my reference to the afe of present rioters, I used the word 'you' generically, although if you are pleased to be included, then do feel free.
As for my use of the word 'novelty' - we shall agree to disagree and move on.
In my reference to the afe of present rioters, I used the word 'you' generically, although if you are pleased to be included, then do feel free.
As for my use of the word 'novelty' - we shall agree to disagree and move on.
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It is not like AOG hid behind ignorance, he usually parades it. Pretending he does not understand the connection between vigilantes and the EDL march in Enfield and refusing to acknowledge or condemn it is weaseling of the highest order. I can only assume his failure to comment and pretending to not watch the video is because they are indefensible.
These men are NOT vigilantes. They are NOT taking the law into their own hands. They are simply taking a firm but peaceable stance........they have not yet displayed any signs of aggression.
Naturally, anyone stupid enough to challenge them will come off the worst but they can hardly then claim to have been the victim of a vigilante attack.
Naturally, anyone stupid enough to challenge them will come off the worst but they can hardly then claim to have been the victim of a vigilante attack.
housemouse
Look just grow up I am getting rather annoyed at your childish ways.
I just cannot understand why the Ed has not removed your posts, that are specifically designed to antagonise me.
Don't waste your time in the future to try and provoke me, because if the Ed ignores you, I will do so from this moment in time.
Look just grow up I am getting rather annoyed at your childish ways.
I just cannot understand why the Ed has not removed your posts, that are specifically designed to antagonise me.
Don't waste your time in the future to try and provoke me, because if the Ed ignores you, I will do so from this moment in time.
"How long would the police tolerate bands of other vigilantes to stand guard outside their premises carrying shot guns or even air weapons?"
Lol, the way you worded it is as if you think air weapons are more dangerous than shotguns.
I believe that you have EVERY right to protect your family and property by any means necessary but the truth is carrying weapons at a time of riot where anger and nervousness rules our senses can lead to mistakes, some fatal. At the time of a riot it is actually a breakdown of society as anarchy rules and normal rules/laws don't seem to apply.
The edl=drunken thuggish clowns with absolutely no idea/direction at all, what exactly were they meant to be achieving? The letter "E' is meant to stand for "England" and not "Eltham" so where were they when the riots were at their peak, when they were needed in Croydon, Clapham, Brixton or Ealing amongst other places? Hiding in their pubs shouting racial expletives and shaking their fists at the tv no doubt. Stumbling drunkedly after hiding for 4 days around the safety of their area is hardly a victory to scream from the rooftops about, if I were them I'd be keeping a pretty low profile and being deeply ashamed of myself.
Lol, the way you worded it is as if you think air weapons are more dangerous than shotguns.
I believe that you have EVERY right to protect your family and property by any means necessary but the truth is carrying weapons at a time of riot where anger and nervousness rules our senses can lead to mistakes, some fatal. At the time of a riot it is actually a breakdown of society as anarchy rules and normal rules/laws don't seem to apply.
The edl=drunken thuggish clowns with absolutely no idea/direction at all, what exactly were they meant to be achieving? The letter "E' is meant to stand for "England" and not "Eltham" so where were they when the riots were at their peak, when they were needed in Croydon, Clapham, Brixton or Ealing amongst other places? Hiding in their pubs shouting racial expletives and shaking their fists at the tv no doubt. Stumbling drunkedly after hiding for 4 days around the safety of their area is hardly a victory to scream from the rooftops about, if I were them I'd be keeping a pretty low profile and being deeply ashamed of myself.
jackthehat
This is all turning out to be an attack on every word I use, instead of just answering a perfectly legitimate question.
The word vigilante that I used in my headline seems to have upset certain ABers, but in actual fact I don't think it is the use of the word, but the person that dared to use it.
The word that I took my headline from, was in fact first used by the Deputy Assistant Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police.
I tend to take his interpretation of a vigilante, rather than from some ABers who are just trying to be obnoxious.
How far are you willing for things to get out of hand, before you condemn certain groups for taking unacceptable action?
Or are you being selective in your choice of who can or cannot take the law into their own hands?
This is all turning out to be an attack on every word I use, instead of just answering a perfectly legitimate question.
The word vigilante that I used in my headline seems to have upset certain ABers, but in actual fact I don't think it is the use of the word, but the person that dared to use it.
The word that I took my headline from, was in fact first used by the Deputy Assistant Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police.
I tend to take his interpretation of a vigilante, rather than from some ABers who are just trying to be obnoxious.
How far are you willing for things to get out of hand, before you condemn certain groups for taking unacceptable action?
Or are you being selective in your choice of who can or cannot take the law into their own hands?
vigilante
noun /ˌvɪdʒ.ɪˈlæn.ti//-ˈlæn.t ̬i/ [C]
Definition
a person who tries in an unofficial way to prevent crime, or to catch and punish someone who has committed a crime, especially because they do not think that official organizations, such as the police, are controlling crime effectively. Vigilantes usually join together to form groups.
I was actually going to post that when you started the thread, but changed my mind.
They are not vigilantes....
noun /ˌvɪdʒ.ɪˈlæn.ti//-ˈlæn.t ̬i/ [C]
Definition
a person who tries in an unofficial way to prevent crime, or to catch and punish someone who has committed a crime, especially because they do not think that official organizations, such as the police, are controlling crime effectively. Vigilantes usually join together to form groups.
I was actually going to post that when you started the thread, but changed my mind.
They are not vigilantes....
No, AOG.
Vigilantes take the law into their own hands by being pro-active. They will seek out 'transgressors' and mete out whatever punishment they see fit.
These Sikhs have drawn a line in the sand. They will be re-active. "You cross that line and you will be dealt with".......leaving the 'line-crossing' decision entirely up to the rioters/looters themselves. I won't condemn them. In just the same way that I wouldn't condemn a group of OAPs armed with cricket bats, croquet mallets or machetes who chose to stand guard outside their social club.....
Vigilantes take the law into their own hands by being pro-active. They will seek out 'transgressors' and mete out whatever punishment they see fit.
These Sikhs have drawn a line in the sand. They will be re-active. "You cross that line and you will be dealt with".......leaving the 'line-crossing' decision entirely up to the rioters/looters themselves. I won't condemn them. In just the same way that I wouldn't condemn a group of OAPs armed with cricket bats, croquet mallets or machetes who chose to stand guard outside their social club.....
A fair point jack.
AOG - might I tactfully suggest that you simply ignore any perceived provocation from other posters, and simply answer the points you wish to answer, and leave the rest to sit on the site and be addressed - or not - by others.
This will save the frerquent hi-jacking into inter-poster arguments that do seem to occur with frequency after one of your initial posts.
Just a thought.
AOG - might I tactfully suggest that you simply ignore any perceived provocation from other posters, and simply answer the points you wish to answer, and leave the rest to sit on the site and be addressed - or not - by others.
This will save the frerquent hi-jacking into inter-poster arguments that do seem to occur with frequency after one of your initial posts.
Just a thought.
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