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Human Rights groups say the sentences are too tough on the looters?
I suppose when you see the two lads getting 4 yrs for inciting a riot on FB which didn't happen anyway and someone who was actually in the thick of things getting 6 months?
Do you think the HR Laws will ever be overhauled as promised, or are we being told this for appeasement ?
Do you think the HR Laws will ever be overhauled as promised, or are we being told this for appeasement ?
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The items you mention are not secret, Zeuhl. They are in the public domain as are the details of any adult offender who is brought back to court for non-payment of fines, costs or compensation.
Only fines and costs can be written off by “time served”. Compensation payments cannot. In my observations I have not seen any sums written off in the adult courts for “non-existent” time served. Although the imposition of fines or costs is far less prevalent in the youth courts, write-offs against non-existent time served may well have happened there – we’d never know, would we?
However, all this is somewhat off the point.
Only fines and costs can be written off by “time served”. Compensation payments cannot. In my observations I have not seen any sums written off in the adult courts for “non-existent” time served. Although the imposition of fines or costs is far less prevalent in the youth courts, write-offs against non-existent time served may well have happened there – we’d never know, would we?
However, all this is somewhat off the point.
NJ I should have been more clear.
When my daughter worked in the Magistrates Court and an offender was banged up as an alternative to paying backlogs of fines (that were proving too difficult to collect), they would write to victims and ask if they would forgo compo payments (that were also proving too difficult to collect) as the offender was paying their 'debt to society' in jail.
However, the time in jail was not so much 'non existent' as double counted in that one spell inside was used as a rationale for a number of such write offs.
When my daughter worked in the Magistrates Court and an offender was banged up as an alternative to paying backlogs of fines (that were proving too difficult to collect), they would write to victims and ask if they would forgo compo payments (that were also proving too difficult to collect) as the offender was paying their 'debt to society' in jail.
However, the time in jail was not so much 'non existent' as double counted in that one spell inside was used as a rationale for a number of such write offs.
Yes, I take the point and quite agree now that you have explained it, Zeuhl.
The option to "buy off" compensation with time served (even one at a time, let alone several concurrently), should not be available even with the victim's consent. If imprisonment for non-payment is imposed it should not, as it currently does, wipe out the debt. (Strangely the only exception to this is Council Tax default, where the debt remains after a term of imprisonment has been served for non-payment).
And we're straying even further from Bobbisox's original question !!!
The option to "buy off" compensation with time served (even one at a time, let alone several concurrently), should not be available even with the victim's consent. If imprisonment for non-payment is imposed it should not, as it currently does, wipe out the debt. (Strangely the only exception to this is Council Tax default, where the debt remains after a term of imprisonment has been served for non-payment).
And we're straying even further from Bobbisox's original question !!!
Newsquest papers have the answer
http://static.guim.co...apital_punishment.png
Death penalties for rioters!
Arm all pensioners!
(This appears in British newspapers but it seems to have been written in America. Just pray you don't get in the way of an arthritic pensioner - like me - shooting at cheeky girls.)
http://static.guim.co...apital_punishment.png
Death penalties for rioters!
Arm all pensioners!
(This appears in British newspapers but it seems to have been written in America. Just pray you don't get in the way of an arthritic pensioner - like me - shooting at cheeky girls.)
Ummmm and bobisox it's likely that the hi-vis had the words "Community Payback" on them.
http://www.hampshire-...ity%20Payback%203.jpg
http://www.hampshire-...ity%20Payback%203.jpg
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