Sectarian violence in Egypt.

[sandyRoe]

An authoritarian leader, like Mubarak, could have kept these base passions in check. Now the Coptic Christians seem to be under siege in their own country. Will Egypt turn into a theocratic state?

http://uk.news.yahoo....9-dead-195710008.html

[Davethedog]

Keyplus as I have said before, you have an agenda however the more I read what you say the more I think you have lost your way. You are supporting people not god as long as they are muslim you are unable or unwilling to be in anyway critical. You reach despratly for your book to support any despotic situation no matter how out landish or stupid.

In this case it is so obvious that there has been no western influence in Egypt, because the west doesn't wish to be accused of interferance.

As I said before, if you are right, you will have to stand before Allah and explain yourself and tell him why you took the word of man over his.

[keyplus90]

Dave’s post and my own response to that reminded me of a fictional incident told by someone and I would like to share here without highjacking the original question.

Once there was a blind man and one very dark night someone saw him walking down the street with a lamp in his hand. He asked that blind man “why are you carrying a lamp as you can’t see any way so it would not make any difference to you would it?”

Blind man said “No, you are right that this lamp light would not make any difference to me as I am so used to of walking without relying on my eyes but this lamp is for the people who rely on their eyes to find their way and I do not want them to walk into me”.

[keyplus90]

////Dave - In this case it is so obvious that there has been no western influence in Egypt, because the west doesn't wish to be accused of interferance.////

Do you think if West would influence then they will send people in carrying the flags of their countries? And do you really believe that Western countries are not interfering into any other countries?

[Davethedog]

Oh there you go then an intelligent response and no less that I expected.

You can lead a horse to water, blindman, but you can't make him drink.

Until you understand that muslims do not all think the same and indeed don't think the same as you. You will never find your way blind or not.

[Davethedog]

Why twist what I said? To what point people on here are not stupid, despite your arrogance.

I didn't say othe countries did I? I said Egypt you are bviously as blind as you say you are.

[keyplus90]

//// Until you understand that muslims do not all think the same and indeed don't think the same as you. You will never find your way blind or not.////

So who do you think is right me or other Muslims?

[keyplus90]

////I didn't say othe countries did I? I said Egypt you are bviously as blind as you say you are.////

So innocent until proven guilty then.

[Davethedog]

You live in Britain do you not? So you are no more aware of whats going on in Egypt than any other resident of Britain.

There is an attricianl battle being foughr in Egypt some Muslims side with the Christians others obviously don't.Who instigated this who knows. As in most cases of violence who is right and who is wrong.

But you don't and can't know just like me all you can have is an opinion.

[237SJ]

I live in Britain too but as a regular traveller to Cairo, I can`t say I`ve noticed any difference to be honest. I don`t think Egypt will ever become a fundamentalist state. They are far, far too westernised for that. I like going there and find it no more Islamist than say, Turkey.

[keyplus90]

No, You can have opinion and so do I. Up to that point I agree with you but although I live in Britain I am from a country (as said earlier) where the influence is very much visible. Before it became visible to outsiders the insiders could see the signs. And I am used to those signs but unfortunately you are not apart from one sign that Tony Blair took you to the war even he had to lie to all of you and that was “ONLY ONE SIGN” so far for the people in this country that he was influenced. Therefore people here are not used to see what is not visible but we are.

[naomi24]

237SJ, I'm also quite familiar with Cairo, and at one time I would have agreed with you, but not now. Whilst on the surface Cairo doesn't appear to have changed, in recent years one major change has become very apparent. The Islamic 'uniform' - the burka - which 20 years ago was conspicuous by its absence, has suddenly emerged and is now in full flow in Cairo.

This post isn't intended to start a debate on the burka. It's simply an observation.

Carry on chaps.

[ichkeria]

Ah, but is the wearing of the burka evidence of increased "fundamentalism"?
And even if it were (as opposed to a mere fashion trend) does that imply that the country is less or more likely to become some sort of Jihadist hell? Or no difference?
Tick the appropriate box :-)

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit, It's not all a bed of roses in Turkey,

/// The main fundamentalist group, Turkish Hezbollah, has been responsible for hundreds of murders in recent decades.///

/// The present Turkish government is methodically taking over every aspect of society, including every branch of government, businesses, schools and newspapers. How has this affected the citizens of Turkey? Natan Sharansky has posed what he calls the village square test. Can a person go out in the village square and say he does not like the government? Can you talk freely? I've been visiting Turkey regularly since 1968. People were always prepared to talk about politics - but no longer. Today, the Turks are obviously afraid of something. It saddens me to see this taking place in an industrious country that was in the vanguard of moving Islam into the modern world.///

/// It is not clear whether the present government of Turkey, whatever it says overtly, really wants to be part of the EU. Thus, when European leaders declare that Turkey has no place in Europe, they may be unwittingly playing into the hands of the Islamist forces in Turkey who can say, in effect, "The EU is a Christian club which will never accept us, so we need to look elsewhere, to our Muslim brothers." ///

http://www.hudson-ny....ism-vs-fundamentalism

[anotheoldgit]

keyplus90

/// And I am used to those signs but unfortunately you are not apart from one sign that Tony Blair took you to the war even he had to lie to all of you and that was “ONLY ONE SIGN” so far for the people in this country that he was influenced. Therefore people here are not used to see what is not visible but we are. ///

Just reading this makes one wonder why some decide to live in Britain or be prepared to be associated with anything British.

i.e.

And 'I AM' used to those signs but unfortunately 'YOU ARE NOT'

Tony Blair took 'YOU' to the war even he had to lie to 'ALL OF YOU'.

'THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY'

'THEREFORE PEOPLE HERE ARE NOT USED TO SEE WHAT IS NOT VISIBLE BUT WE ARE'.

No, I am afraid we will never have integration in this country.

[keyplus90]

/////Just reading this makes one wonder why some decide to live in Britain or be prepared to be associated with anything British./////

There you go, old song with new music again. I am sure I am not the only one who think that way about Tony and there are so many others white, English and yes born here, so perhaps tell them to agree with everything with eyes wide shut or leave the country. Would you please?