If found guilty, what would be an appropriate punishment for this young woman?

[sp1814]

No doubt some will ask what happened to provoke such a foul mouthed tirade (especially in the presence of her young child).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/...gland-london-15923875

Whatever happened, bravo to those who chastised her, and double-bravo for everyone keeping their cool and not responding in kind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i47HoiM0Au8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[grffindoor2011]

She is entitled to her view. Clearly she is rattled. I'm not sure a tram is the best place to air that view though.

Before I came here, I was reading a news story that said 'whites' feel they are at the bottom of the list when it comes to housing and in some cases jobs. If you read that story then see this woman you can understand her anger.

The one thing I find offensive though is that she has been arrested for her outburst.

[Snafu03]

I have viewed this on YouTube. The comments made against her behaviour are as eloquent and colourful as her choice of language. Maybe she's right, but just forget to include herself in the 'Britian is nothing' quote.

Has the lady (at about 1.18) who states that 'We have to do all the work for you' - has she been arrested for racially aggravated behaviour?

[Barmaid]

It is certainly a s5 Public Order Act offence, but more likely a s4a POA offence. The fact that it is racially aggravated brings it under s31 Crime and Disorder Act. Sentencing provisions here:-

http://www.legislatio...ga/1998/37/section/31

[jackthehat]

I doubt that the woman you mention, snafu, would have felt obliged to comment if it hadn't been for this charmer's outburst.

[Snafu03]

2 wrongs dont make a right! Fair enough, express your displeasure but her and the other lady with the baby chose to get involved with heated arguments. The white lady with the baby was as equally foul and the coloured lady was suggesting that white Brits are lazy and ethnics/foreigners have to do all the work for them.

They were both wrong, admittedly not to the same level as the main protaganist.

[ummmm]

Lol...so what do you suggest? They keep their gobs shut?

[Sgt.Rock]

She was expressing (albeit loudly and crudely) what many other people believe.

[Monkeyfun]

"She was expressing (albeit loudly and crudely) what many other people believe"

Agreed sgt rock, you'll often find that racism is represented by slack jawed hill billies in the southern states or high low iq'd knuckle dragging vermin such as the edl or this miserable specimen.

The folk they use to commit violence or use foul mouthed abuse to spread their word are hardly the best recruitment tool or ambassadors for their cause are they now?

[Sgt.Rock]

A few times a week I hear many "ordinary" people expressing similar sentiments in a far less crude way. Sorry if you don't accept me relating what I hear but it is being said I can assure you.

[jackthehat]

Much is being said about many things...........it doesn't make it right or acceptable.

[EvianBaby]

She is entitled to think whatever she likes, as we all are and if that's how she feels then fine. But it's how you go about airing your thoughts that's the problem.

[NOX]

Well since she's clearly trollied, I'd expect any sentence she recieves to deal with her alcohol issues, that and at the very least some intervention regarding her parenting (or lack of it). She expressed the most appalling views, probably because she was drunk, but the sad reality is that no matter what sentence you give her she will probably think like that, you just have to try to prevent her getting drunk enough that she feels she can voice them. I don't fancy the little boy's chances of not becoming a EDL thug when he grows up though, which is the real travesty here.

[Sgt.Rock]

Jack - I didn't say it was - but I do tend to "get out a bit" and although some people may not want to believe it, it is often said.

[Monkeyfun]

"Theres a sense of incoherent anger, people are angry but can't explain why"

This comment just about sums it up, the vid i posted is another example of the cranks that do not know why they are racist or what they are upset about but are angry (And stupid) all the same.

I honestly would not be surprised if the woman in the tram video was this guys sister, lover or both as there is something seriously wrong with their brains.

Inbreeding ranks high on my list of possible causes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL1jDcAHkc8

[NOX]

Yes it is often said, it's actually the only thing I ever sacked anyone for, but it doesn't make it right, or make it right that other peiople have to tolerate it from neanderthals like her- people were right to speak up and I didn't hear anyone say anything remotely prejeudiced towards her.

[jackthehat]

Of course it is...........it still doesn't make it right or acceptable.

[pa___ul3]

I've seen a few people commenting on this and all saying the same thing, that this woman is a disgrace. If she's an example of 'her Britain' I don't want to be considered part of that!
She is ignorant and thick.. asking if their own country's Nicaragua.. due to an initial mispronunciation of the first could of syllables.
At the very least her conduct should see her son taken into care as no child should be brought up in a world of such hatred.

[sp1814]

I think we should steer clear of the whole "she has a right to think what she likes".

I don't think anyone is disputing that.

Snafu03 - did the woman responding actually refer to the drunk/coked up woman's race?

[Old_Geezer]

An appropriate punishment, if one could call it that, is probably a course on the need to give others respect. But I fear if that was not instilled in someone when a child it is a bit late to change their behaviour at a later date.

I don't think there is a problem with belief, we ought not have 'thought police' telling us what we must believe, but one needs to know to remain polite, and if there is a debate to contribute constructively.

And yes it is a bad example for her child. As is said, the sins of the father is passed on to the sons. This is why I say, despite protests from teachers, that the school is the only place one can try to compensate for poor teaching of the next generation.

Aside from that the publicity this is getting is likely to blow the outburst out of proportion. It is sad to see but it's not like someone was killed or anything. And one can not tell what led up to it to result in such behaviour. It appears to be a lack of a decent upbringing that would be the cause. I'm unsure what one can do that would do much good and bring greater understanding for those she now despises.

[pa___ul3]

O_G - "It is sad to see but it's not like someone was killed or anything.".. not necessarily by her in this instance but there has by others because of this viewpoint. Such an obvious hatred of people the holder doesn't consider to be white British has lead to many vicious assaults and to murders.