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Yet another killing on the streets of London.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/...gland-london-16022192
I wonder if this savage and cowedly killing will be classed as a vicious racial murder?
I wonder if this savage and cowedly killing will be classed as a vicious racial murder?
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SP, re your definitions in post at 1402hrs, Should this have been racially aggravated, victim perceived it to be:
http://www.dailymail....hears-used-drunk.html
http://www.thisisleic...821-detail/story.html
http://www.dailymail....hears-used-drunk.html
http://www.thisisleic...821-detail/story.html
/// but what we do know is that this is not racially motivated as Danny was a popular boy with friends from all cultural backgrounds.///
It is a very sad fact, but he obviously also had enemies from all cultural backgrounds.
/// “We do not want to see any local retribution" ///
Perhaps a whole different attitude would have been taken by the 'community' had the killing been the other way round, it could have set off another riot.
It is a very sad fact, but he obviously also had enemies from all cultural backgrounds.
/// “We do not want to see any local retribution" ///
Perhaps a whole different attitude would have been taken by the 'community' had the killing been the other way round, it could have set off another riot.
There's an assumption that every time a black kid is murdered by a white gang, black people cannot help themselves but go on the rampage.
This is false
Remember Anthony Walker?
"A hooded white man in his 20s directed a torrent of racist abuse at Anthony Walker who was at a bus stop outside the Huyton Park pub where Walker waited with his white girlfriend and cousin.
The three walked away from the racial abuse without retaliating, but a gang of up to four white men caught up with them as they crossed McGoldrick Park. Mr. Walker's girlfriend and cousin ran to get help. When they returned, they found Mr. Walker on the ground with an axe embedded in his skull. He died at 0525 BST on Saturday 28 July 2005."
Now THAT'S a racist murder by a bunch of cowardly savages...but were there any riots afterwards?
No.
Nothing of the kind.
People who try to make out that black people only react one way are pushing an agenda.
This is false
Remember Anthony Walker?
"A hooded white man in his 20s directed a torrent of racist abuse at Anthony Walker who was at a bus stop outside the Huyton Park pub where Walker waited with his white girlfriend and cousin.
The three walked away from the racial abuse without retaliating, but a gang of up to four white men caught up with them as they crossed McGoldrick Park. Mr. Walker's girlfriend and cousin ran to get help. When they returned, they found Mr. Walker on the ground with an axe embedded in his skull. He died at 0525 BST on Saturday 28 July 2005."
Now THAT'S a racist murder by a bunch of cowardly savages...but were there any riots afterwards?
No.
Nothing of the kind.
People who try to make out that black people only react one way are pushing an agenda.
Hi SP,
On the information disclosed it fits the definition of a racist hate crime but further explanation is required why the defendants were not indicted with the racially aggravated offence (according to the media).
"During the hearing, James Bide-Thomas, prosecuting, said Ambaro Maxamed, who started the violence, had called Miss Page a "white bitch" during the incident. However, the women, who are all Somalian Muslims, were not charged with racial aggravation".
On the information disclosed it fits the definition of a racist hate crime but further explanation is required why the defendants were not indicted with the racially aggravated offence (according to the media).
"During the hearing, James Bide-Thomas, prosecuting, said Ambaro Maxamed, who started the violence, had called Miss Page a "white bitch" during the incident. However, the women, who are all Somalian Muslims, were not charged with racial aggravation".
exdc
Perhaps the victim also called the attackers 'n*gger b*tches'?
It seems a very odd story. Without any provocation, three girls start beating up a woman standing with her boyfriend.
It seems quite different from the murder of Anthony Walker, where the attackers shouted out racist insults *before* they killed him by burying an axe in his head.
It's almost as if the 'white b*tch' comment was incidental to the attack.
Perhaps the victim also called the attackers 'n*gger b*tches'?
It seems a very odd story. Without any provocation, three girls start beating up a woman standing with her boyfriend.
It seems quite different from the murder of Anthony Walker, where the attackers shouted out racist insults *before* they killed him by burying an axe in his head.
It's almost as if the 'white b*tch' comment was incidental to the attack.
sp1814
/// It seems a very odd story. Without any provocation, three girls start beating up a woman standing with her boyfriend. ///
Almost as strange as some white lads beating up and killing a lad standing at a bus stop.
You can't have it all ways sp1814, admit it is wrong when someone other than a white commits a crime
/// It seems a very odd story. Without any provocation, three girls start beating up a woman standing with her boyfriend. ///
Almost as strange as some white lads beating up and killing a lad standing at a bus stop.
You can't have it all ways sp1814, admit it is wrong when someone other than a white commits a crime
I won’t get too bogged down with the details of this particular case, sp, because none of knows the full details. However, your contention that my remarks are irrelevant is not correct.
They may not be relevant to this particular case because nobody, it seems, has viewed this as a racist incident. But in the wider debate (and I apologise to AOG for hijacking his question) they have every relevance. The issue here is that the decision whether the matter is treated as racist lies not solely with the police, nor the CPS, nor the victim, nor the victim’s family, nor even with all of them together. As a result of the Macpherson report’s recommendations (which have been adopted in full) “any person” can insist it is treated as such. That is one of the main reasons (and there are more) why the report is preposterous. And that is why the public cannot rely of such matters being classified correctly.
They may not be relevant to this particular case because nobody, it seems, has viewed this as a racist incident. But in the wider debate (and I apologise to AOG for hijacking his question) they have every relevance. The issue here is that the decision whether the matter is treated as racist lies not solely with the police, nor the CPS, nor the victim, nor the victim’s family, nor even with all of them together. As a result of the Macpherson report’s recommendations (which have been adopted in full) “any person” can insist it is treated as such. That is one of the main reasons (and there are more) why the report is preposterous. And that is why the public cannot rely of such matters being classified correctly.
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"any person” can insist it is treated as such. That is one of the main reasons (and there are more) why the report is preposterous. And that is why the public cannot rely of such matters being classified correctly"
And New Judge is spot on, insist being a key word here where the demands made by 'special population groups / org's' cause the massive distortion of crimes / incidents being incorrectly classified, usually by weak, incomptent decision makers.
"any person” can insist it is treated as such. That is one of the main reasons (and there are more) why the report is preposterous. And that is why the public cannot rely of such matters being classified correctly"
And New Judge is spot on, insist being a key word here where the demands made by 'special population groups / org's' cause the massive distortion of crimes / incidents being incorrectly classified, usually by weak, incomptent decision makers.
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