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Taliban torture and then shoot in the head, 20 year old.
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I am absolutely disgusted that there are some on this site who can't wait to condemn our soldiers if they happen to step out of line, or injure a Afghan civilian (if there is such a thing) and yet they are not equally ready to condemn these murderous cowardly savages who could commit a crime such as this.
Here we have a young boy of only 20 years, who must have endured many hours of excruciating torture and then finally shot several times in the head, what that poor lad must have endured, is too frightening to contemplate, and I would not condemn his colleagues if they were to capture one of these murderous scum and carry out the same punishment on him.
But then if this were to happen, the culprits would face a court-martial and a very long jail sentence, so much for the lax military justice that some on this site refer to.
RIP Scott McLaren.
I am absolutely disgusted that there are some on this site who can't wait to condemn our soldiers if they happen to step out of line, or injure a Afghan civilian (if there is such a thing) and yet they are not equally ready to condemn these murderous cowardly savages who could commit a crime such as this.
Here we have a young boy of only 20 years, who must have endured many hours of excruciating torture and then finally shot several times in the head, what that poor lad must have endured, is too frightening to contemplate, and I would not condemn his colleagues if they were to capture one of these murderous scum and carry out the same punishment on him.
But then if this were to happen, the culprits would face a court-martial and a very long jail sentence, so much for the lax military justice that some on this site refer to.
RIP Scott McLaren.
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em - I echo what you say. This young man is working out there doing his job, and was told not to stray off looking for those goggles. I'm not going to say that he was the author of his own misfortunate, but it's dinned into people not to stray, not to be alone - I'm afraid that this is a dreadful warning to his colleagues as to why these rules are made.
Please don't take this as my being an terrorist sympathiser, AOG. Soldiers fight on both sides, soldiers get killed. It's the nature of the job.
Please don't take this as my being an terrorist sympathiser, AOG. Soldiers fight on both sides, soldiers get killed. It's the nature of the job.
Well said Sunny-dave. AOG's post could have been expected to wind up the usual suspects, but I'm sure most people in this country are in agreement.
We are fighting with one hand tied behind our backs in Afghanistan. We have strict rules, known and exploited by the Taliban, while they have no rules. The people who carried out this atrocity will be congratulated and honoured by their colleagues.
We should never have been suckered into this American campaign.
War is the Afghan national sport - a long list of countries have invaded and gone home defeated, and there are tribal wars when there are no foreign fixtures available.
We are fighting with one hand tied behind our backs in Afghanistan. We have strict rules, known and exploited by the Taliban, while they have no rules. The people who carried out this atrocity will be congratulated and honoured by their colleagues.
We should never have been suckered into this American campaign.
War is the Afghan national sport - a long list of countries have invaded and gone home defeated, and there are tribal wars when there are no foreign fixtures available.
Kromovaracun
/// But that isn't what you said. You openly wondered 'if there is such a thing' as an Afghan civilian - which is a completely different assertion altogether. ///
Since they have no particular distinguishing marks, and it is well known for Afghan men women and even children to attack NATO troops, I therefore think that it is not incorrect to assume, that there is no such thing as an Afghan civilian.
/// But that isn't what you said. You openly wondered 'if there is such a thing' as an Afghan civilian - which is a completely different assertion altogether. ///
Since they have no particular distinguishing marks, and it is well known for Afghan men women and even children to attack NATO troops, I therefore think that it is not incorrect to assume, that there is no such thing as an Afghan civilian.
Gromit
My post is in no way offensive, or the Ed would have removed it when it was first posted.
It is only offensive in the minds of those who choose it to be, for their own reasons.
All I have laid down is the true fact that some are always willing to condemn, if matters that are against their own particular agenda, are posted on AB.
That is why such people as myself who refuse to be bullied into following the rest of the sheep are disliked on here.
But while the Ed continues to accept the fact that nothing I say is unlawful or contravenes Site Rules I will continue to post on subjects that I feel are both topical and appropriate at the time.
So carry on taking what I have said out of context to turn around the argument against me, and with your insults and bullying, if you must, but this man is not for turning.
My post is in no way offensive, or the Ed would have removed it when it was first posted.
It is only offensive in the minds of those who choose it to be, for their own reasons.
All I have laid down is the true fact that some are always willing to condemn, if matters that are against their own particular agenda, are posted on AB.
That is why such people as myself who refuse to be bullied into following the rest of the sheep are disliked on here.
But while the Ed continues to accept the fact that nothing I say is unlawful or contravenes Site Rules I will continue to post on subjects that I feel are both topical and appropriate at the time.
So carry on taking what I have said out of context to turn around the argument against me, and with your insults and bullying, if you must, but this man is not for turning.
Still tilting at windmills?
Yes, this post IS offensive.........it offends me to be labelled as an apologist for the Taliban, or to have it implied that I am somehow accepting of their barbarous activities simply because I do not post thread after thread, or comment after comment baldly stating my opinion on each and every item appearing in the news.
Yes, this post IS offensive.........it offends me to be labelled as an apologist for the Taliban, or to have it implied that I am somehow accepting of their barbarous activities simply because I do not post thread after thread, or comment after comment baldly stating my opinion on each and every item appearing in the news.
AOG
I have not taken anything you have said out of context. It is plain what you meant to say and the suggestion IS downright offensive.
I have criticised the killing of civilians in Afghanistan because it is a failure. Our mission is to help the Afghan people, so if we kill them instead, then it is pointless us being there. It is delusion to say Afghan civilian deaths don't matter. They turn the population against our presence there and make the soldier's job ten times harder. Commenting on our mistakes does not make me a Taleban supporter.
The death of this soldier was sad and horrible. For you to use this death to attack people on an internet forum is repulsive.
I have not taken anything you have said out of context. It is plain what you meant to say and the suggestion IS downright offensive.
I have criticised the killing of civilians in Afghanistan because it is a failure. Our mission is to help the Afghan people, so if we kill them instead, then it is pointless us being there. It is delusion to say Afghan civilian deaths don't matter. They turn the population against our presence there and make the soldier's job ten times harder. Commenting on our mistakes does not make me a Taleban supporter.
The death of this soldier was sad and horrible. For you to use this death to attack people on an internet forum is repulsive.
"Since they have no particular distinguishing marks, and it is well known for Afghan men women and even children to attack NATO troops, I therefore think that it is not incorrect to assume, that there is no such thing as an Afghan civilian"
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No, that doesn't follow. What it means, fairly obviously if you think about it, is that it's hard to distinguish between combatants and civilians because the Taliban don't wear uniforms. They deliberately do this to use the civilian population as cover - which according to you doesn't exist. It's a tactic with a long history. The fact that the Taliban deliberately makes it hard for us to distinguish between civilians and combatants does not mean that there is no difference - it just means it's hard to tell. Your logic astounds me, and I find it hard to believe you've put much thought into it at all.
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No, that doesn't follow. What it means, fairly obviously if you think about it, is that it's hard to distinguish between combatants and civilians because the Taliban don't wear uniforms. They deliberately do this to use the civilian population as cover - which according to you doesn't exist. It's a tactic with a long history. The fact that the Taliban deliberately makes it hard for us to distinguish between civilians and combatants does not mean that there is no difference - it just means it's hard to tell. Your logic astounds me, and I find it hard to believe you've put much thought into it at all.
I am actually in support of the troops there as if we weren't, then total mayhem would be inflicted by the Taliban on the Afghanis as before and, even more importantly, the drugs trade and terrorist camp businesses would be thriving much to the detriment of London, major UK cities, wherever in the world. The Talban do not give a toss for anyone, including their own religion - how many Muslims were taken out in 9-11 and 7-7, never mind attacks in Paris and Madrid.
That does not mean I do not sympathise with the anti-war-ites - I do as war is a terrible testimony to the failure of governments and diplomacy and the sooner we can pull back the better. Your remarks here are so distasteful as they attack the very decency of 99% of ABers INCLUDING those who are of a strong "anti" persuasion.......
However, the one thing that you have done is to show yourself and your extremism in full and true view of us. Be grateful that you are in a country that, by and large, accepts extreme comments and views be they right or left. But please think before you leap off that short insult pier again.
The best thing you could do is to post an apology to folk at large.
That does not mean I do not sympathise with the anti-war-ites - I do as war is a terrible testimony to the failure of governments and diplomacy and the sooner we can pull back the better. Your remarks here are so distasteful as they attack the very decency of 99% of ABers INCLUDING those who are of a strong "anti" persuasion.......
However, the one thing that you have done is to show yourself and your extremism in full and true view of us. Be grateful that you are in a country that, by and large, accepts extreme comments and views be they right or left. But please think before you leap off that short insult pier again.
The best thing you could do is to post an apology to folk at large.
@AoG - You wilfully and persistently portray those who decline your repeated invitations to join in with your mindless jingoism as being "anti-British" or "pro-taliban" - As if your mindless attitudes are the gold standard of britishness.
Your initial post is disgraceful in its bias. To suggest that those who are sufficiently able to condemn a member of our armed forces for bayonetting a 10 year old child are unable to condemn an act of savagery against a member of our armed forces is risible. Most who post here are sufficiently nuanced to see beyond the simplistic black and white with which you paint every action that you find disgusting.
Claiming that all afghans are combatants is a ridiculous and unjustified assertion, AoG. Your comments about supporting what you see as "justified retribution" by UK armed forces will do absolutely nothing to bring back the soldier, and will only further stoke hatred and incite further extreme, violent incidents. And I most certainly do not want soldiers in the uniform of my country acting as barbarians or savages, merely to slake your blood lust.
Your attitudes betray a lack of thought most commonly associated with a child, AoG - Isn't it time you grew up a little and saw the world through more objective eyes?
Your initial post is disgraceful in its bias. To suggest that those who are sufficiently able to condemn a member of our armed forces for bayonetting a 10 year old child are unable to condemn an act of savagery against a member of our armed forces is risible. Most who post here are sufficiently nuanced to see beyond the simplistic black and white with which you paint every action that you find disgusting.
Claiming that all afghans are combatants is a ridiculous and unjustified assertion, AoG. Your comments about supporting what you see as "justified retribution" by UK armed forces will do absolutely nothing to bring back the soldier, and will only further stoke hatred and incite further extreme, violent incidents. And I most certainly do not want soldiers in the uniform of my country acting as barbarians or savages, merely to slake your blood lust.
Your attitudes betray a lack of thought most commonly associated with a child, AoG - Isn't it time you grew up a little and saw the world through more objective eyes?
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