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It seems Cameron has impressed the voters...
http://www.dailymail....U-treaty-changes.html
What say the Europhiles that are always saying most love Europe? Are there more "little Englanders" than first thought?
What say the Europhiles that are always saying most love Europe? Are there more "little Englanders" than first thought?
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Can you spot a trend in these intended voting polls kayles
http://ukpollingrepor...ting-intention/yougov
http://ukpollingrepor...ting-intention/yougov
'Are there more "little Englanders" than first thought?'
There are now.. 'cos little old UK is set on a downward path as far as most of the rest of the world are concerned. What's more the UK which used to have a powerful voice in Europe, now has virtually none.
I wouldn't be surprised if in 3 or 4 years, the UK is about as important on the world stage as (say) Tonga.
And all because Cameron didn't want to upset the Tory party's biggest contributors - the very contributors who will soon be moving their main business to more important parts of the world.
There are now.. 'cos little old UK is set on a downward path as far as most of the rest of the world are concerned. What's more the UK which used to have a powerful voice in Europe, now has virtually none.
I wouldn't be surprised if in 3 or 4 years, the UK is about as important on the world stage as (say) Tonga.
And all because Cameron didn't want to upset the Tory party's biggest contributors - the very contributors who will soon be moving their main business to more important parts of the world.
ROJASH # There are now.. 'cos little old UK is set on a downward path as far as most of the rest of the world are concerned. What's more the UK which used to have a powerful voice in Europe, now has virtually none.#
Is that stricTly true ? We haven't ever had a powerful voice in Europe . We were forced to join a club under their already establised rules. If our voice had been powerful we wouldn't be in the mess we are in today. On the other hand if our voice was powerful as you claim then we are as much too blame as anyone else for the mess we are in .
The truth of the matter our voice was no better than anyone else and even when we disagreed with a particular policy we were always outvoted.
Had Cameron signed up for this new agreement he could have been outvoted
on every occassion. As it is the one million UK employees currently employed in financial services dealing with the rest of the world will be able to work unrestricted by the proposed regulations from the new fiscal union .
Had he signed up all that trade would have been subject to the ineffiicient rules of Europe and in particular France who would love to destroy London as the premier financial centre of the world. We also would be required to help massively with the bail out .
Is that stricTly true ? We haven't ever had a powerful voice in Europe . We were forced to join a club under their already establised rules. If our voice had been powerful we wouldn't be in the mess we are in today. On the other hand if our voice was powerful as you claim then we are as much too blame as anyone else for the mess we are in .
The truth of the matter our voice was no better than anyone else and even when we disagreed with a particular policy we were always outvoted.
Had Cameron signed up for this new agreement he could have been outvoted
on every occassion. As it is the one million UK employees currently employed in financial services dealing with the rest of the world will be able to work unrestricted by the proposed regulations from the new fiscal union .
Had he signed up all that trade would have been subject to the ineffiicient rules of Europe and in particular France who would love to destroy London as the premier financial centre of the world. We also would be required to help massively with the bail out .
Lovely little clip from Peter Hithens in the DAILY MAIL - "The EU is a giant vampire squid that, having once clamped itself on to its victim, steadily sucks the life out of it until it is a husk - and that just about sums it up - oh and we import more from the EU than we export. Am I a little Englander - well i consider myself to be patriotic.
“I wouldn't be surprised if in 3 or 4 years, the UK is about as important on the world stage as (say) Tonga.”
Around 42% of all of the world’s principle financial business is transacted through the City of London. It accounts for well over 10% of the UK’s GDP. The remainder of Europe combined (but mainly Frankfurt and Paris) accounts for about 18% of that business. Over the past three years the City’s share of that business has increased by around 3%, mainly at the expense of Europe. This infuriates Merkel and Sarkozy.
Many of the measures proposed to supposedly “save the Euro” will have a huge effect on City’s share of the world’s financial business but will do little to assist the beleaguered, flawed currency. It’s high time that the people and the politicians of the UK woke up and realised that the EU has no more regard for the fortunes of the UK than it has for (say) Tonga. The doom mongers need to grow up and stop making ridiculous claims about the consequences whenever the UK suggests it might not like what is happening in the EU – claims which have no basis or evidence.
Mr Cameron had little choice but to refuse to agree to the terms of the treaty changes. If he had not in 3 or 4 years, the UK is about as important on the world stage as (say) Tonga.
Around 42% of all of the world’s principle financial business is transacted through the City of London. It accounts for well over 10% of the UK’s GDP. The remainder of Europe combined (but mainly Frankfurt and Paris) accounts for about 18% of that business. Over the past three years the City’s share of that business has increased by around 3%, mainly at the expense of Europe. This infuriates Merkel and Sarkozy.
Many of the measures proposed to supposedly “save the Euro” will have a huge effect on City’s share of the world’s financial business but will do little to assist the beleaguered, flawed currency. It’s high time that the people and the politicians of the UK woke up and realised that the EU has no more regard for the fortunes of the UK than it has for (say) Tonga. The doom mongers need to grow up and stop making ridiculous claims about the consequences whenever the UK suggests it might not like what is happening in the EU – claims which have no basis or evidence.
Mr Cameron had little choice but to refuse to agree to the terms of the treaty changes. If he had not in 3 or 4 years, the UK is about as important on the world stage as (say) Tonga.
"It accounts for well over 10% of the UK’s GDP"
NJ, Will Hutton (a respected, though left-leaning, commentator) puts it differently:
"The financial services industry in Britain constitutes 7.5% of GDP and employs a million people; the City represents perhaps a third of that and, in turn, that part threatened – if it was threatened at all – some fraction of that. This is a tiny economic interest."
NJ, Will Hutton (a respected, though left-leaning, commentator) puts it differently:
"The financial services industry in Britain constitutes 7.5% of GDP and employs a million people; the City represents perhaps a third of that and, in turn, that part threatened – if it was threatened at all – some fraction of that. This is a tiny economic interest."
This is little to do with the city of London
This is a lot to do with attempting to appear tough to his Euroskeptic backbenchers whilst trying to keep the Liberals on-side.
Agreeing to treaty changes would have triggered a referendum which would have almost certainly scuppered his coalitition and left him a lame duck in a minority government.
He had no choice and is trying to present a virtue out of necessity
This is a lot to do with attempting to appear tough to his Euroskeptic backbenchers whilst trying to keep the Liberals on-side.
Agreeing to treaty changes would have triggered a referendum which would have almost certainly scuppered his coalitition and left him a lame duck in a minority government.
He had no choice and is trying to present a virtue out of necessity
It looked to me almost like a 'constructive dismissal' of the UK by the french and germans. He did have no choice. The financial transactions tax alone would have amounted to the eurozone levying a huge tax on the UK to help them bail out their failed currency.
They must have know there was no chance he could ever agree to what they were proposing.
They must have know there was no chance he could ever agree to what they were proposing.
Quite right ludwig, it appeared a preplanned operation by Merkozy and I am so pleased that DC said No. Now we have Herman Van Rompuy (WHO) implying that if 26 countries agree the new treaty (not 27 as the treaty states) then it will go through - does this smell of marxism or the coming of the fourth reich. Waiting to see what happens when the 26 countries read the small print.
Brenden, you and i know they won't like it one little bit. It's what i said all along, that it would be a france/germany led alliance, and that all the little players would get their noses tweaked and have to play ball or else. And it was all that DC could do, i reckon that we haven't seen the end of this
play by a long long way.
play by a long long way.
"He did have no choice."
"It was all that DC could do"
Whenever anyone says he had no choice, he's lying, unless he was physically chained to a wall. (It's the cry of trade union leaders down the ages, for instance.) He does have a choice, but it's a tough one so he wants to blame it on someone else. So it is with Cameron.
"It was all that DC could do"
Whenever anyone says he had no choice, he's lying, unless he was physically chained to a wall. (It's the cry of trade union leaders down the ages, for instance.) He does have a choice, but it's a tough one so he wants to blame it on someone else. So it is with Cameron.
Not being at the talks I can not say whether this was the right decision in the circumstances, I have to go by what is in the media; but that said I'm rather impressed that we have an PM who found the courage to stand up for what they think right, instead of caving in, signing what is put in front of them, and then kidding on to everyone here that it's a good thing. It surprised me somewhat.
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