Should discipline be returned to the home and at schools

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail....-discipline-them.html

I agree with this Labour MP. regarding bringing back a certain amount of discipline, but I can't quite see how the smacking ban led to riots, or that it is easy for middle class parents to control their children because they can afford to send their children to private schools with it's stronger discipline and tennis lessons.

/// It was easier for middle-class parents to control their children as they could afford to pay for private schools, which have tougher discipline than state schools, as well as activities such as tennis lessons. ///

[sunny-dave]

I haven't got kids - but quite fancy smacking someone - has Mr Lammy got a list of acceptable substitutes ?

[NOX]

There is a difference between smacking and beating you're quite right, but the same principle applies that you wish to terrify your child into doing as you tell it to, not help it understand why it shouldn't be doing somthing in the first place and then come to it's own conclusion it's a bad idea. nice people are the people who realise they shouldn't do something because ti's hurtful wrong, whatever... people who purely behave because theyre terrified of getting caught and punished are not surely what we are striving to create are we?

[anotheoldgit]

NOX

Would you also not tap away the hand of a very young child if it was about to touch something either dangerous or very hot?

[ummmm]

Tapping is not smacking.

[Ankou]

come on aog, answer me q.

i usually yell at my kids if i think they are going to touch something hot or dangerous. it makes them freeze. then i can calmly explain why it would be a bad idea to touch it.

[anotheoldgit]

Apparently there is a smacking law, i.e any force that causes 'reddening' of the skin, must agree with Mr Lammy how can a black skin show redness?

/// He called for a reversal of Labour’s 2004 decision to tighten up the smacking law. Previously parents could use ‘reasonable chastisement’, while the new definition prohibits any force that causes ‘reddening of the skin’. Mr Lammy poured scorn on that description, saying it was irrelevant to black children. ///

[Ankou]

oh.

[RATTER15]

If you bring your kids up with respect you will never need to smack them! making children obey out of fear from smacking is not right.
We don't smack our dogs either, because well have a mutual respect, no respect can ever come from physical punishment.

[Ankou]

agree ratter, but the thread has taken a new (but over exercised) turn.

you can beat a white kid black and blue, but aog is concerned that you can't beat a black kid red.........

[NOX]

As ummm said tapping is not smacking, but also as Ankou said if you raise your voice they freeze anyway.

[sunny-dave]

@triggs - like skyrim but with more balls ...

[Ann]

I was also smacked at Infant school in 1953 at the age of 6 - right across the back of my legs by the Headmistess. My crime? Whispering to my friend in the next queue waiting to file back into school "Play again next playtime?" I have never forgotten it........the humiliation for a deed not even bad - just breaking the silence rule!