Workers taken ill on holiday, to be given extra time off.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.telegraph....n-extra-time-off.html

In these days of job shortages is it wise to impose more costly legislation on Employers?

[jno]

I suppose it's logical. In theory it would lead to more people being hired (to cover for those who are now taking extra holiday).

[jno]

incidentally, following a link on that page, I found this

http://www.telegraph....y-Serbian-hitman.html

which might tie in with your other post about Serbia and the EU.

[ChuckFickens]

So what's actually changed?

http://www.adviceguid...sick_while_on_holiday

[anotheoldgit]

Yes I also spotted that jno, but why bother, some would only make the usual lame excuses.

[boxtops]

This isn't new, it's been applied for years. I had someone on long term sick leave who was still entitled to her full annual leave when she came back. If people are ill when they have booked leave, we report them as sick and they take their leave some other time. I don't understand why it's being reported as a new initiative.

[chelle7272]

That is the way the company I work for works already. No change at all.

[chelle7272]

On the flip side to additional cost, when employees have an employer who is flexible and considerate of their welfare, they tend to work better. There are also procedures in place for staff who may seek to take unfair advantage, so it can work in the employers favour if managed well.

[Prudie]

I agree, not new at all. Companies consider leave to be a necessary time of rest in order to maximise productivity when at work. If you spent 2 weeks leave being ill then you've had no rest. Always was easy to abuse the system if inclined, there shouldn't be any change.

[naomi24]

Boxy's right. It's nothing new.

[Gromit]

I am ill EVERY christmas and just recover when it is time to go back to work. Unfortunately I am self employed so I would be unable to take extra time off.

It does sort of make sense.

[EDDIE51]

This is normal it has been the case for at least 35 years. You get sick pay if you are signed off sick not holiday . I had this happen to me over 30 years ago. I was on holiday when I had to go into hospital I sent in a sick note and got all my holiday entitlement back to use after I had recovered.
A 'non story' if ever there was one.

[anotheoldgit]

/// This isn't new, it's been applied for years. ///

Hasn't anyone told Vince Cable?

[THECORBYLOON]

As I understand it, the proposed change relating to holidays and sickness is that at present where someone has not been able to take all their leave due to sickness, there is no right to carry the balance forward but the change will allow that.

[sp1814]

Yep - when I worked for Nat West menu years ago, this was the norm. Open to abuse sure, but the logic was - if you're off sick whilst on holiday, those days had to be counted as sick days, because you were guaranteed a certain amount of annual leave which was distinct from sick leave.

Pity the poor chap who claimed to be sick, and was then spotted in the front row of the Embassy World Snooker Championships a few years back.

He got the sack.

[rov1100]

Another crazy idea! I thought it a bit over the top when fathers were entitled to paternity leave.

[THECORBYLOON]

The change has been prompted by a ruling from the European Court of Justice.

[EDDIE51]

When it happened to me I got my holiday pay as cash at the end of the year, I suppose now I could have carried it over to next year , that may be the diffrence.

[boxtops]

If that is the change then it would be a good thing - my colleague was ill on three weeks' holiday and now has to fit it in it in this financial year - almost impossible. if there were a chance to carry it forward if the backlog is due to sickness, that would help.
and No, AOG, I have no idea why Vince Cable doesn't know that most of us do this already!

[EDDIE51]

Politicians live in a parallel universe 90% of them have never had a 'proper job' in their lives.

[Buenchico]

As Chuck says, what's changed?

From the Government's OWN website:
"In light of a recent European Court of Justice (ECJ) ruling, the following is applicable if you become ill during your holiday or just before you were due to take it. You can ask to convert the period of holiday concerned to sick leave and ask to take the missed annual leave at a later date.

You should follow the usual procedure for telling your employer you are ill (eg letting them know as soon as you can or providing medical certificates). If you are not sure what your normal process is check your employment contract, staff handbook, or intranet.

You may be unable to take all of your holiday entitlement within your leave year because of illness. In this case, the ECJ judgment also means you may be entitled to carry forward the entitlement you would otherwise lose to the next year."

http://www.direct.gov...dholidays/DG_10034711

Chris