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http://news.sky.com/h...news/article/16183763
George Cameron swept into power on the Muslim vote, and French president Nicolas Sarkozy who is trying to improve his chances of returning to power is courting the right vote.
Showing concern at the rise of Islam in France, he has vowed to take action, and according to the report below he has been quick to do so.
Due to Cameron's drop in popularity, are there lessons he could learn from the French?
http://www.dailymail....ics-right-appeal.html
George Cameron swept into power on the Muslim vote, and French president Nicolas Sarkozy who is trying to improve his chances of returning to power is courting the right vote.
Showing concern at the rise of Islam in France, he has vowed to take action, and according to the report below he has been quick to do so.
Due to Cameron's drop in popularity, are there lessons he could learn from the French?
http://www.dailymail....ics-right-appeal.html
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AOG - I do not think Mr. Sarkozy is targeting Muslims in his efforts to curb imigration - in fact the word 'Muslim' is not mentioned anywhere in the piece you have highlighted to back your question.
There is no mention of Mr. S's 'concern at the rise of Islam in France' either - so in comparing this with George Galloway's victory in the recent election, are you in fact drawing a conclusion that does not exist - namely that a right-wing approach to imigration in France compares with a perceived upsurge in Muslim influence in the UK?
You regularly condemn other AB'ers who criticise your regular and frequent references to Muslims within this section - surely you don't need to add evidence to their claims with this kind of innacuracy?
There is no mention of Mr. S's 'concern at the rise of Islam in France' either - so in comparing this with George Galloway's victory in the recent election, are you in fact drawing a conclusion that does not exist - namely that a right-wing approach to imigration in France compares with a perceived upsurge in Muslim influence in the UK?
You regularly condemn other AB'ers who criticise your regular and frequent references to Muslims within this section - surely you don't need to add evidence to their claims with this kind of innacuracy?
Sarkozy is hugely unpopular and his comments are from desperation.
http://www.bloomberg....cedented-rebound.html
Cameron's drop in popularity is understandable from a mid term leader who has just presented a disastrous budget.
There is a lesson we could learn. Only washed up unelectable politicians court the far right right.
http://www.bloomberg....cedented-rebound.html
Cameron's drop in popularity is understandable from a mid term leader who has just presented a disastrous budget.
There is a lesson we could learn. Only washed up unelectable politicians court the far right right.
The premiss is sound. Politicians will play whatever works best with their electorate, or that part of it which may swing the vote. Since Galloway was playing to an electorate which is 37 per cent Muslim, it is no surprise that he played to it. Whether that explains why he defeated the Labour candidate, a Muslim of Pakistani ancestry, is another matter.
Sarkozy has a different problem. He is low in the polls now and has hopes of swinging the election in his favour by getting some of the minority national vote from those who would vote for Le Pen.
Sarkozy has a different problem. He is low in the polls now and has hopes of swinging the election in his favour by getting some of the minority national vote from those who would vote for Le Pen.
Gromit
Don't assume all is up for Sarkozy yet.
/// The 2012 Presidential election in France is being held in two rounds, on 22 April and 6 May. ///
/// François Hollande, the socialist candidate, has until recently been leading in the opinion polls, for both rounds. But President Nicolas Sarkozy, the centre-right candidate, has since regained ground. ///
/// An Ifop poll published on 2 April was the latest survey to show Sarkozy pulling into the lead for round one, scoring 29.5% to Hollande's 27.5%, with Melenchon overtaking Le Pen ///
Don't assume all is up for Sarkozy yet.
/// The 2012 Presidential election in France is being held in two rounds, on 22 April and 6 May. ///
/// François Hollande, the socialist candidate, has until recently been leading in the opinion polls, for both rounds. But President Nicolas Sarkozy, the centre-right candidate, has since regained ground. ///
/// An Ifop poll published on 2 April was the latest survey to show Sarkozy pulling into the lead for round one, scoring 29.5% to Hollande's 27.5%, with Melenchon overtaking Le Pen ///
Good for you DT.
// Labour has raced into a double digit opinion poll lead as the Tories deal with fall-out from an unpopular Budget and the cash-for-access controversy, a survey showed today. //
http://www.huffington...access_n_1380959.html
// Labour has raced into a double digit opinion poll lead as the Tories deal with fall-out from an unpopular Budget and the cash-for-access controversy, a survey showed today. //
http://www.huffington...access_n_1380959.html
Gromit,it turns out that Bradford or that part of Yorkshire, as a whole, is 20 per cent Muslim. I wondered about 37 per cent too, but it has been reported on Sky, the BBC and elswhere that, in that constituency, the figure is 37 per cent of the electorate. That's the third highest proportion in the country. Galloway's previous constituency was Bethnal Green and Bow, which has an even higher proportion. His choice of constituency was not, perhaps, best explained to the reporter on Sky who asked him why he 'chose' them. He said that he didn't chose Bradford West, the people chose him, and anyway that question was for before the election , not after it.
The thing I would concede is that it could have been better presented by Osbourne and he should have taken an extra 15 minutes to explain
(i) how the tax allowance loops have been closed up preventing the wriggling so easy under the Labour Part, thereby forcing the wealthy into paying more tax across the board - and hence why revenue from the top 5% will increase, despite the 5% tax reduction....
(ii) how the offset on allowances for pensioners could only affect the welathier end and will be a temporary aberration as the new basic income tax hikes, moving to £10.5k or more down the line, catches up - and how the exposure is only inflation dependent, not cash in hand, - when inflation is falling.
(iii) how a decision on fuel tax hikes in August will be taken later.......
(iv) not said anything as to hot food tax until the angles were all cleared up
(v) said a little more about the removal of ancient laws, (now underway)some of which impact on the Treasury - like lotteries - and which serve to clog up government information....
In short, Andy Coulson, come back, all is forgiven.
(i) how the tax allowance loops have been closed up preventing the wriggling so easy under the Labour Part, thereby forcing the wealthy into paying more tax across the board - and hence why revenue from the top 5% will increase, despite the 5% tax reduction....
(ii) how the offset on allowances for pensioners could only affect the welathier end and will be a temporary aberration as the new basic income tax hikes, moving to £10.5k or more down the line, catches up - and how the exposure is only inflation dependent, not cash in hand, - when inflation is falling.
(iii) how a decision on fuel tax hikes in August will be taken later.......
(iv) not said anything as to hot food tax until the angles were all cleared up
(v) said a little more about the removal of ancient laws, (now underway)some of which impact on the Treasury - like lotteries - and which serve to clog up government information....
In short, Andy Coulson, come back, all is forgiven.
Gromit
/// The policies you want were presented at the last General Election by UKiP and the BNP. ///
I am not talking about minority parties, are you so naive enough to think that if the Tories, really started to address the immigration problem and also the growing threat of Islam, their popularity would not increase?
/// 95% of 'The People' did not vote for them. It is clear, what you want and what the people want are totally different. ///
Over 30% percent of people didn't even bother to vote, what does that tell you?
"They are not giving the people what they want".
/// The policies you want were presented at the last General Election by UKiP and the BNP. ///
I am not talking about minority parties, are you so naive enough to think that if the Tories, really started to address the immigration problem and also the growing threat of Islam, their popularity would not increase?
/// 95% of 'The People' did not vote for them. It is clear, what you want and what the people want are totally different. ///
Over 30% percent of people didn't even bother to vote, what does that tell you?
"They are not giving the people what they want".
//Over 30% percent of people didn't even bother to vote, what does that tell you?//
Then they have no right to whinge then. Democracy rightfully has always been about the majority of those who vote. Yes, there should be communciations to encourage the highest percentage possible....
Would you advocate the Australian STV system and where voting is compulsory for the UK? I seriously hope not.
Then they have no right to whinge then. Democracy rightfully has always been about the majority of those who vote. Yes, there should be communciations to encourage the highest percentage possible....
Would you advocate the Australian STV system and where voting is compulsory for the UK? I seriously hope not.
// ...if the Tories, really started to address the immigration problem and also the growing threat of Islam, their popularity would not increase? //
You must have a very short memory AOG. Do you not remember the 2005 General Election, when Michael Howard, the Conservative leader did exactly as you are urging.
Daily Telegraph 2005:
// ...the election campaign currently being fought by Michael Howard. Like William Hague, the Conservative leader has turned himself into a political skinhead by concentrating on immigration and asylum at the expense of issues such as education and health. //
http://www.telegraph....l-Tories-jittery.html
I need not remind you of the terrible result for the Conservatives that that resulted in.
You must have a very short memory AOG. Do you not remember the 2005 General Election, when Michael Howard, the Conservative leader did exactly as you are urging.
Daily Telegraph 2005:
// ...the election campaign currently being fought by Michael Howard. Like William Hague, the Conservative leader has turned himself into a political skinhead by concentrating on immigration and asylum at the expense of issues such as education and health. //
http://www.telegraph....l-Tories-jittery.html
I need not remind you of the terrible result for the Conservatives that that resulted in.
Gromit
That was 7 years ago, a very long time in politics, in fact round about that time it was considered racist to discuss immigration.
In days of economic problems, people are less inclined to share the few job vacancies with people from other lands, they don't wish to see their children's education suffer, and many are desperate for the few houses on offer, etc, etc.
Then there is the matter of getting rid of undesirables from our shores, don't you think that vast numbers of the voters, would also only be too pleased to see the back of radical Islamist hate preachers such as Abu Qatada?
That was 7 years ago, a very long time in politics, in fact round about that time it was considered racist to discuss immigration.
In days of economic problems, people are less inclined to share the few job vacancies with people from other lands, they don't wish to see their children's education suffer, and many are desperate for the few houses on offer, etc, etc.
Then there is the matter of getting rid of undesirables from our shores, don't you think that vast numbers of the voters, would also only be too pleased to see the back of radical Islamist hate preachers such as Abu Qatada?
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