Yet another gang rape.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail....-13-jailed-years.html

I was under the impression that the maximum sentence for rape was life imprisonment.

Yet here we have not just a single rape committed against an adult, (which in itself is bad enough) but a gang rape plus the beating up of a 13 year old girl, were the ringleader of this gang of savages gets only 5 years, another gets 12 months in a young offenders institution, and two others who were involved were cleared completely..

Is this anyway to set an example against these abominable and sadistic gangs who consider young girls an easy target for their disgusting indulgences?

[mrs_overall]

Was the ringleader a non white by any slim chance?

[ummmm]

AOG - I was just giving my opinion on VHG post. It wasn't an attack on you.

Yes MrsO.

[anotheoldgit]

ummmm

Then why bother to make the association of the word savage with non-whites?

You could quite easily have put:

"AOG often used the word 'savages' in relations to crimes".

VHG made no reference to skin colour, so why did you find it necessary to do so?

[ummmm]

Because most of your posts are about 'non whites'

[emmie]

quite frankly i would like to see them go to prison for life, 13 years old going on 30, disgusting what they all did, never mind just one.

[FredPuli43]

'Most of your [aog's] posts are about non-whites' Is that statistically correct, or just an impression?

[emmie]

until someone sends out a very clear message, these types of crimes will continue. The parents of these boys must be so proud.

[Zeuhl]

The noun 'savage' is conventionally used to mean:

A
a member of a people regarded as primitive and uncivilized[i

Historically this was commonly applied to Africans

It is also used to mean

B
[i]a brutal or vicious person]

Therefore, it can be used to project racist attitudes (A) but still allow the user to claim they were just describing a vicious behaviour (B) or 'playing the innocent' as it's sometimes called.

[emmie]

if my memory serves me right, the first time i heard that word was in reference to red indians, called savages by the cowboys in films. Now of course we don't say that, they are Native Americans.

However savage behaviour like this is beyond my understanding.

[Zeuhl]

That's true em

Those would be the 'savages' who suffered genocide in order to make way for the advancing flood of civilisation that is America

[FredPuli43]

That's the connection which young people make, zeuhl, that 'savage' used by older people relates, in their minds, to tribes in the jungle and their use of it for someone in this country is racist but it doesn't necessarily follow. Older people apply the word savages to white people too; the Daily Mail still does.

[Zeuhl]

[i]Older people apply the word savages to white people too; the Daily Mail still does. [i]

I'll take your word for it Fred.

Oi! What are you trying to say about The Daily Mail? :-)

[emmie]

I don't need a history lesson - not sure what your comments got to do with this case. It's a word that has been used before as i said.

Those would be the 'savages' who suffered genocide in order to make way for the advancing flood of civilisation that is America

[Zeuhl]

em


I don't need a history lesson - not sure what your comments got to do with this case.

you introduced the reference to north american 'savages' not me!

I added a comment - so what's your problem? why so narky?

are you looking to start a fight?
or just in a particularly bad mood today?

[emmie]

in films, which is where i heard it first. Just the fact that some seem to think it's only been levelled at black people in jungles.

[emmie]

if i was i wouldn't be on here.

[Zeuhl]

OK .... that's fine then .....

(carefully steps back towards the door ...)

[FredPuli43]

zeuhl, the Daily Mail has a readership which is disproportionately old, 60 or more, by quite a measure. So, naturally, it uses the vocabulary and reflects the views and attitudes of that older readership. It writes what they find fits in with their thoughts and how they see Britain and the world which they now live in. This means it is sometimes misunderstood by others, though generally not or it might not succeed .

[emmie]

not sure how you equate old. I am not young, but not yet ready for the hole in the ground, i hope.

[anotheoldgit]

So as not to offend, new members beware, please pass all comments through the AnswerBank's English, History, etc, etc, etc filter before posting.

Is calling a 'SAVAGE' Dog who 'SAVAGELY' attacks a person, also racist or does the dog or the victim have to be black?

Not domesticated or cultivated, wild: 'SAVAGE' beasts of the jungle.

Not civilised, barbaric: a people living in a 'SAVAGE' state.

Ferocious, fierce: in a 'SAVAGE' temper.

Vicious or merciless: brutal : a 'SAVAGE' attack on a political rival.
Lacking polish or manners: rude.

A person regarded as primitive or uncivilised.

A person regarded as brutal, fierce, or vicious

To assault ferociously

To attack without restraint or pity: The critics 'SAVAGED' the new play.

Better to get it's true meaning before using it.

/// are you looking to start a fight? or just in a particularly bad mood today? ///

Shouldn't that be 'or just in a particular 'SAVAGE' mood today'?