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Have these two prominent persons got it about right?
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At last there are people who are prepared to speak out openly about these child sex grooming cases, and thank goodness they can't be accused of being racist or having a particular agenda to air.
One is Trevor Phillips chairman of the Equalities and Human Rights Commission, and the other Nazir Afzal, the Chief Crown Prosecutor for the North West of England, himself a Muslim.
Mr Phillips said,
/// "it would be wrong if action had not been taken to protect children in care for fear of inflaming racial tensions". ///
Mr Afal said,
/// part of the problem was that some immigrants bring ‘cultural baggage’ with them from misogynistic societies.///
/// ‘What some communities believe is there is a right of self-determination for men but not women. Women are seen as lesser beings.’ ///
At last there are people who are prepared to speak out openly about these child sex grooming cases, and thank goodness they can't be accused of being racist or having a particular agenda to air.
One is Trevor Phillips chairman of the Equalities and Human Rights Commission, and the other Nazir Afzal, the Chief Crown Prosecutor for the North West of England, himself a Muslim.
Mr Phillips said,
/// "it would be wrong if action had not been taken to protect children in care for fear of inflaming racial tensions". ///
Mr Afal said,
/// part of the problem was that some immigrants bring ‘cultural baggage’ with them from misogynistic societies.///
/// ‘What some communities believe is there is a right of self-determination for men but not women. Women are seen as lesser beings.’ ///
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Gromit
There is plenty of evidence that these girls were targeted because they were white.
Did you fail to take into consideration what this gang said, “White girls are easy meat”.
You state if an Asian man thumps a white man it is assault and not a race crime that is rich coming from one who is forever crying down the police and the establishment.
If a white police officer attacked an Asian or black person you would be the first to class that a race attack, rather than the necessary action needed to effect an arrest of a violent person.
/// These men wanted sex, so if black, Chinese or Icelandic women were available, they would have assaulted them also ///
Taking that into consideration if a gang of white youths were out looking for a fight and they happened to pick on a black guy, would that also be classed as a racist attack because he just happened to be there at the wrong time, when he could quite easily have been an Asian, Chinese, or Icelandic?
You also put /// which contained quotes that are untrue and were merely opinions ///
You say that what these two eminent persons are saying is untrue and merely opinions, but could it possibly be true and it is your opinions that are untrue?
That is what Trevor Phillips and Nazir Afzal are saying and the whole reason for the Daily Mail report, you yourself don’t always agree with the police’s actions, so why have you chosen this time to support them on this issue against these two gentlemen, how do you know that things are not being swept under the carpet, so as not to create racial tension?
There is plenty of evidence that these girls were targeted because they were white.
Did you fail to take into consideration what this gang said, “White girls are easy meat”.
You state if an Asian man thumps a white man it is assault and not a race crime that is rich coming from one who is forever crying down the police and the establishment.
If a white police officer attacked an Asian or black person you would be the first to class that a race attack, rather than the necessary action needed to effect an arrest of a violent person.
/// These men wanted sex, so if black, Chinese or Icelandic women were available, they would have assaulted them also ///
Taking that into consideration if a gang of white youths were out looking for a fight and they happened to pick on a black guy, would that also be classed as a racist attack because he just happened to be there at the wrong time, when he could quite easily have been an Asian, Chinese, or Icelandic?
You also put /// which contained quotes that are untrue and were merely opinions ///
You say that what these two eminent persons are saying is untrue and merely opinions, but could it possibly be true and it is your opinions that are untrue?
That is what Trevor Phillips and Nazir Afzal are saying and the whole reason for the Daily Mail report, you yourself don’t always agree with the police’s actions, so why have you chosen this time to support them on this issue against these two gentlemen, how do you know that things are not being swept under the carpet, so as not to create racial tension?
North West of England AGAIN . . . . referred to as a 'honey-pot'.
Children as young as 11 were targeted by mainly Asian staff at fast food outlets in Blackpool. Police report found the girls were most if not all white.
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Children as young as 11 were targeted by mainly Asian staff at fast food outlets in Blackpool. Police report found the girls were most if not all white.
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The Muslim term for non-Muslims is Kafirs, and is extremely pejorative in their usage. The Koran gives freedom to kill or hold them (us) to ransom.
Young Muslim girls are unavailable, but Kafir girls are fair game, and there is a widely held perception that no shame on a Muslim man having sex with them.
I speak from knowledge.
Young Muslim girls are unavailable, but Kafir girls are fair game, and there is a widely held perception that no shame on a Muslim man having sex with them.
I speak from knowledge.
"The judge summed it up when he said the rapists were treating white girls like Sugar. They had more respect for their own class and so never used them"
If I had more less respect for another race simply because I happen to be white, would I be racist?
I'm pretty sure I would be.
So, if the judge's words are correct, and the men involved thought less of the white girls because they are white, then this absolutely is about race and not just about sex.
If I had more less respect for another race simply because I happen to be white, would I be racist?
I'm pretty sure I would be.
So, if the judge's words are correct, and the men involved thought less of the white girls because they are white, then this absolutely is about race and not just about sex.
em10
/// these were the Judges comments ///
/// He said one of the reasons they had committed the crimes was because the victims were “not part of your community or religion”.///
Now I wonder if a Judge would be so understanding if the victims had been Asian/Muslim and not part of the white community or religion?
/// these were the Judges comments ///
/// He said one of the reasons they had committed the crimes was because the victims were “not part of your community or religion”.///
Now I wonder if a Judge would be so understanding if the victims had been Asian/Muslim and not part of the white community or religion?
sp1814
/// AOG Would you hazard a guess - would you say that there are more sexually active white teenage girls...or Muslim teenage girls? ///
This is not up for discussion
/// I mean - why would this gang even think for a moment, that white girls were easy prey? ///
This is in itself a racist remark, would you say that black girls are also easy prey?
/// AOG Would you hazard a guess - would you say that there are more sexually active white teenage girls...or Muslim teenage girls? ///
This is not up for discussion
/// I mean - why would this gang even think for a moment, that white girls were easy prey? ///
This is in itself a racist remark, would you say that black girls are also easy prey?
sp1814
/// By the way - why did you write that Trevor Phillip 'can't be accused of being racist'. ///
This was a sarcastic remark, because had he had been white and made those comments, some on this site would have called him racist.
Are you now saying that black people cannot be racist?
Not in the least, but it is hardly ever reported, perhaps one reason is because whites do not go to the police or the press with their complaints, just the same as male abuse by females is hardly ever reported.
/// By the way - why did you write that Trevor Phillip 'can't be accused of being racist'. ///
This was a sarcastic remark, because had he had been white and made those comments, some on this site would have called him racist.
Are you now saying that black people cannot be racist?
Not in the least, but it is hardly ever reported, perhaps one reason is because whites do not go to the police or the press with their complaints, just the same as male abuse by females is hardly ever reported.
AOG
I think it's a damning indictment that the fact that we are living in a time when we cannot even talk about the sexualisation of underage white girls!
That is at the very centre of this issue. The fact is - these men knew that they had a ready pool of underage white girls who they could ply with drink and drugs and we as a society MUST look at why that is.
Why are white girls so vulnerable to these sort of men? What is it about the Asian community that protects their daughters and what can we learn.
And the reason these gangs didn't attack black girls is simple (as I've said on a number of threads raised on this story) - this story is about Rochdale.
I've been to Rochdale.
There are practically no black families in Rochdale.
Therefore...
I think it's a damning indictment that the fact that we are living in a time when we cannot even talk about the sexualisation of underage white girls!
That is at the very centre of this issue. The fact is - these men knew that they had a ready pool of underage white girls who they could ply with drink and drugs and we as a society MUST look at why that is.
Why are white girls so vulnerable to these sort of men? What is it about the Asian community that protects their daughters and what can we learn.
And the reason these gangs didn't attack black girls is simple (as I've said on a number of threads raised on this story) - this story is about Rochdale.
I've been to Rochdale.
There are practically no black families in Rochdale.
Therefore...
Not in the least, but it is hardly ever reported, perhaps one reason is because whites do not go to the police or the press with their complaints, just the same as male abuse by females is hardly ever reported.
Alternatively, it could be argued that it happens so infrequently that the numbers reflect the rarity of the even.
Look at it this way - how many times have you read about a gay man being beaten up by a straight gang, or verbally abused?
Now...swap it around - how many times have you read about a gay gang beating up a straight person?
You could argue that straights won't report it to the police, but it's much more likely that, frankly, it doesn't happen.
It's the same reason why the police don't have a dolphin unit in the Met.
Alternatively, it could be argued that it happens so infrequently that the numbers reflect the rarity of the even.
Look at it this way - how many times have you read about a gay man being beaten up by a straight gang, or verbally abused?
Now...swap it around - how many times have you read about a gay gang beating up a straight person?
You could argue that straights won't report it to the police, but it's much more likely that, frankly, it doesn't happen.
It's the same reason why the police don't have a dolphin unit in the Met.
sp1814
It would seem that even if black gang rapes do take place there are certain groups that don't wish it to be broadcast.
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It would seem that even if black gang rapes do take place there are certain groups that don't wish it to be broadcast.
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