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Thanks all, I can understand what you are saying sqad, but what I do not understand is why the pain is coming from where the original crack happened which is about 3 inches below my knee on the outside of the leg. Why should it be my knee when the pain is in my leg? I know it affects the knee as it tightens at the back of it when it happens, but the immense pain is in the leg, not the knee. Forgive my ignorance, but I thought it must be that I had damaged the ligaments in the my leg running up to the knee? Oh well, I expect some time soon will have to visit the doctor, not been for 10 years since I had my cancer, so not bad going.