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Would you have helped this girl?
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Just to add, a month or so ago my daughter [age 15] got on the wrong bus home. After phoning me near hysterical the driver stopped the bus, tokk her phone and told me he would look after her. He kept her on the bus the whole way back round the route [free of charge] and waited until a friend turned up to collect her.
IMO that is how it should be!
Lisa x
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Just to add, a month or so ago my daughter [age 15] got on the wrong bus home. After phoning me near hysterical the driver stopped the bus, tokk her phone and told me he would look after her. He kept her on the bus the whole way back round the route [free of charge] and waited until a friend turned up to collect her.
IMO that is how it should be!
Lisa x
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Would I have helped her? Yes I would, what was with the driver? She was only 20p short. What happened to her was only down to one person, but it could have been avoided.
09:36 Fri 08th Jun 2012
I think to put the driver in that sort of dilemma is unreasonable. If they go by what I assume are the rules then they are held responsible for the risks taken by the individual left behind. If they get a reputation for letting folk off the full fare they may be plagued by others trying it on. The bus company should have a clear policy. Possibly an ability to establish address/identity and agreement to pay later. Or maybe to take the individual to the station where they could wait for a family member to pick them up ? Something like that, not just ignore the issue and leave it as a personal choice by the driver.
When I worked for London Transport many years ago passengers without the fare could fill in a form and they would then have to bring therir copy to a bus garage and pay it or it was passed to the revenue team.... Unfortunately Mr D Duck, Mr Nigel Oliver Hope etc were regular users of this system I believe proof of I.D. was then a requirement
I'm listening to a debate about in LBC right now and do have a little more empathy for the driver after hearing about how drivers have lost their jobs for letting people on with out paying. But and a BUT..... 20p!!!! What about the rest of the people on the bus, she pleaded for 8 minutes and this was all on caught on camera!
Lisa x
Lisa x
LT still use the unpaid fare forms. OH is a driver for them
I worked more locally and there were slightly different rules in place. We used unpaid fare forms as well,a new rule was introduced to stop the huge amount of people getting on with no fare first thing in the morning. We didn't have to allow travel, they had to go home and get the fare. We still had to use the forms in the evenings, although in reality they were so much hassle most, if not all, drivers just let passengers ride free
I worked more locally and there were slightly different rules in place. We used unpaid fare forms as well,a new rule was introduced to stop the huge amount of people getting on with no fare first thing in the morning. We didn't have to allow travel, they had to go home and get the fare. We still had to use the forms in the evenings, although in reality they were so much hassle most, if not all, drivers just let passengers ride free
I apreciate that there are rules in place for these issues but -
it was the early hours of the morning, and a youg woman is being put off a bus onto a deserted street
the fare was not the £5.00, it was the 20p she was short
she was a law student, not some smack-head chancer - although even then, surely common sense and decenty prevail for the sake of a few pence
no-one could know what would happen to this poor woman, but the fact that anyone is put off a bus for the sake of 20p is appalling in and of itself, regardless of the dreadful ufnorseen consequences
I suspect there are a lot of passengers keeping very quiet about their failure to intervene on this fateful occasion.
it was the early hours of the morning, and a youg woman is being put off a bus onto a deserted street
the fare was not the £5.00, it was the 20p she was short
she was a law student, not some smack-head chancer - although even then, surely common sense and decenty prevail for the sake of a few pence
no-one could know what would happen to this poor woman, but the fact that anyone is put off a bus for the sake of 20p is appalling in and of itself, regardless of the dreadful ufnorseen consequences
I suspect there are a lot of passengers keeping very quiet about their failure to intervene on this fateful occasion.
It's easy for us after knowing what happened to say "Of course we would have went to the earths ends to give her 20p, even £200 to ensure here safety" and there's no doubt knowing what we know that's agreed on.
But none of us were there, do we know for a fact that all the passengers were tight, arrogant or did they even have any money to give her?
The link says "The 22-year-old law student has been out drinking with friends"
i'm not sure whether any of you Nottingham but like many big cities it's plagued by junkies, beggars and scammers. Is there a possibility that she looked dishevelled, was incoherent and many of the shoppers harrassed all day long my junkies, scammers and beggars mistook her for one of these or just didn't listen because of this?
It's a sad day and a sad fact that this happened just for the sake 0f 20p but should this law student who should've knew better spent all of her money on drink to the point it compromised her safety and it's a possibility she could've been killed?
Personally i would like to see the monster who done this hung but what can we do. I just hope that a message to other girls is be careful, there are predators all around you, don't drink too much, alwasy have your phone on and fully charged and always have more then enough money to get home or to a place of safety.
The other message i hope this sends is For Funks Sake, people, i'd rather lose a few quid to a beggar, scaamer or junkie and feel i've contributed to their safety then be a tightwad and be one of the reasons some kid is raped, beaten or killed.
But none of us were there, do we know for a fact that all the passengers were tight, arrogant or did they even have any money to give her?
The link says "The 22-year-old law student has been out drinking with friends"
i'm not sure whether any of you Nottingham but like many big cities it's plagued by junkies, beggars and scammers. Is there a possibility that she looked dishevelled, was incoherent and many of the shoppers harrassed all day long my junkies, scammers and beggars mistook her for one of these or just didn't listen because of this?
It's a sad day and a sad fact that this happened just for the sake 0f 20p but should this law student who should've knew better spent all of her money on drink to the point it compromised her safety and it's a possibility she could've been killed?
Personally i would like to see the monster who done this hung but what can we do. I just hope that a message to other girls is be careful, there are predators all around you, don't drink too much, alwasy have your phone on and fully charged and always have more then enough money to get home or to a place of safety.
The other message i hope this sends is For Funks Sake, people, i'd rather lose a few quid to a beggar, scaamer or junkie and feel i've contributed to their safety then be a tightwad and be one of the reasons some kid is raped, beaten or killed.
Yes a very disturbing story, a young girl raped because she was 20p short of her fare home, blame the driver, blame the bus company, blame the passengers.
All very well in hindsight, to blame all these factors for the horrible consequences that evolved from this situation.
But no one yet has blamed the piece of scum that committed this savage attack and rape upon this poor girl, and if it this girl had been given the 20p to complete the fare to get her home, another unfortunate female would have most likely been the victim of this monster.
If this had happened, that rape would have most likely been just another rape and not headline news.
All very well in hindsight, to blame all these factors for the horrible consequences that evolved from this situation.
But no one yet has blamed the piece of scum that committed this savage attack and rape upon this poor girl, and if it this girl had been given the 20p to complete the fare to get her home, another unfortunate female would have most likely been the victim of this monster.
If this had happened, that rape would have most likely been just another rape and not headline news.
Yes, I would have. I have paid bus fares for kids coming out of school,
especially in the winter months, or given what they are short.
I know the majority of them have bus passes, but not always, if a child
seems genuine I have no problem. I know people are going to say 'how do
you know who is genuine,' instinct I guess, and the way the situation proceeds.
The bus driver should have many sleepless nights..also passengers that
would remember that incident...especially at that time it occured..shame
on you!!
especially in the winter months, or given what they are short.
I know the majority of them have bus passes, but not always, if a child
seems genuine I have no problem. I know people are going to say 'how do
you know who is genuine,' instinct I guess, and the way the situation proceeds.
The bus driver should have many sleepless nights..also passengers that
would remember that incident...especially at that time it occured..shame
on you!!
No question, I would have given it to her. On a school trip, one lad lost his fiver, so I said I'd lend it to him, expecting never to see it again. First day back, he held back at the end of the lesson, gave me a fiver and shoved a box of chocs into my hand, Here, don't tell anybody, me Mam sent them!
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