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Is Dylan telling the truth?
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/// Dylan, 71, said: ‘If slavery had been given up in a more peaceful way, America would be far ahead today.’ ///
And how far ahead would they have been?
After all haven't they been to the moon, and haven't they got a black President, so he hasn't done so bad has he, all thanks to Grand-Papa Punch, or could he have done much better for himself if it hadn't been for slavery?
/// President Obama - the most powerful man in America - is himself believed to be descended from slaves. ///
/// Genealogists even claim that DNA analysis and marriage and property records suggest that Obama is the 11th great-grandchild of John Punch, the first black slave living in colonial Virginia nearly four centuries ago.///
/// Dylan, 71, said: ‘If slavery had been given up in a more peaceful way, America would be far ahead today.’ ///
And how far ahead would they have been?
After all haven't they been to the moon, and haven't they got a black President, so he hasn't done so bad has he, all thanks to Grand-Papa Punch, or could he have done much better for himself if it hadn't been for slavery?
/// President Obama - the most powerful man in America - is himself believed to be descended from slaves. ///
/// Genealogists even claim that DNA analysis and marriage and property records suggest that Obama is the 11th great-grandchild of John Punch, the first black slave living in colonial Virginia nearly four centuries ago.///
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America will never truly rid itself of the stigma of slavery, neither can Britain. Had there been no enslavement of black people, then America would have been a completely different country, environment, people.
Surely the ones who should also have as much to shout about are the Native Americans.
One thing i found when i visited the USA some years ago was the level of poverty, truly shocking in such a wealthy nation.
America will never truly rid itself of the stigma of slavery, neither can Britain. Had there been no enslavement of black people, then America would have been a completely different country, environment, people.
Surely the ones who should also have as much to shout about are the Native Americans.
One thing i found when i visited the USA some years ago was the level of poverty, truly shocking in such a wealthy nation.
America wasn't exactly founded on slavery - English settlers and religious refugees, Spanish conquistadors and French explorers is more like it. But slavery was the basis of the soutehrn states'; wealth for a long time, since producing cotton was labour-intensive.
Even after it was abolished, there was more or less official colour discrimination until comparatively recently. But as aog says, they have in recent years done much to overturn it, to the extent that even the president is black. You can never change everyone's minds, but institutionally the country has done well in encouraging equal opportunity, and has a much larger black middle class than Britain is ever likely to.
Even after it was abolished, there was more or less official colour discrimination until comparatively recently. But as aog says, they have in recent years done much to overturn it, to the extent that even the president is black. You can never change everyone's minds, but institutionally the country has done well in encouraging equal opportunity, and has a much larger black middle class than Britain is ever likely to.
<‘If slavery had been given up in a more peaceful way, America would be far ahead today.’>
I'm not sure how that would have been possible. The whole economy of the Southern States was dependent on it and as anyone who has travelled through the South will testify, the after-effects continue to blight that part of america.
Some economists would argue that the only 'peaceful' way to end slavery is through the natural (and inevitable) process of it becoming economically unviable when in direct competition with a large, low-pay workforce.
If I was a farmer in east anglia today i would rather pay east europeans nupps to work hard at jobs they really want and not have to worry about their welfare or out of work issues rather than buy slaves and have to pay all their living costs and provide security to ensure i keep them working at jobs they don't want to do.
I'm not sure how that would have been possible. The whole economy of the Southern States was dependent on it and as anyone who has travelled through the South will testify, the after-effects continue to blight that part of america.
Some economists would argue that the only 'peaceful' way to end slavery is through the natural (and inevitable) process of it becoming economically unviable when in direct competition with a large, low-pay workforce.
If I was a farmer in east anglia today i would rather pay east europeans nupps to work hard at jobs they really want and not have to worry about their welfare or out of work issues rather than buy slaves and have to pay all their living costs and provide security to ensure i keep them working at jobs they don't want to do.
The fact remains that many black people in America are poor, not just don't have the latest gadget poor, but dirt poor, their lives haven't been made better by having a mixed race President in the Oval Office. And in many ways, they were the ones who put him where he is today. As i said i hadn't ever seen such poverty, and that was a truly shocking thing to me.
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