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That sounds about right or does it?
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He may have a point, most can say what they like about Christianity but when it comes to Islam that seems to be a different matter.
He may have a point, most can say what they like about Christianity but when it comes to Islam that seems to be a different matter.
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Hes 100% right, its getting beyond a joke the amount of pandering and kow-towing we do to these people.
They wont be happy until they have taken this country and are running it how they see fit
If they really dont want to accept our culture and way of doing things they are free to leave nobody is stopping them.
They wont be happy until they have taken this country and are running it how they see fit
If they really dont want to accept our culture and way of doing things they are free to leave nobody is stopping them.
Sounds logical. Christianity in the UK is a soft target. Dave Allen made a career out of mocking it and there have been many comedy sketch shows over the years that has seen the comedic value in it.
Even non comedy programmes takes a derisive view on Christianity with Christians often being portrayed from bible quoting hypocritical fools to psychotic nutters. Whether or not you feel this is a jusified portrayal of UK Christians is neither here nor there - program makers can mock with impunity with little or no backlash from the Church.
I can see why program makers would shy away from mocking Islam, Muslims are not known for a self deprecating sense of humour. In the UK we were introduced to just how sever this is with the author Salman Rushdie - long before the Islamic 'beef' with Western society from Gulf War 1 and onwards.
Its just the way they are, and the way we are. The difference in society, culture and how we aspire to live is chasmic.
Even non comedy programmes takes a derisive view on Christianity with Christians often being portrayed from bible quoting hypocritical fools to psychotic nutters. Whether or not you feel this is a jusified portrayal of UK Christians is neither here nor there - program makers can mock with impunity with little or no backlash from the Church.
I can see why program makers would shy away from mocking Islam, Muslims are not known for a self deprecating sense of humour. In the UK we were introduced to just how sever this is with the author Salman Rushdie - long before the Islamic 'beef' with Western society from Gulf War 1 and onwards.
Its just the way they are, and the way we are. The difference in society, culture and how we aspire to live is chasmic.
Apparently, according to the writer, we can't make jokes about Jews or Sikhs either, but Muslims are peculiarly sensitive. Well, they'll get used to it eventually, I suppose. Hadn't noticed that Jews were desensitized, to any degree, to Jewish jokes made by goyim, but they've been subject to that, and worse, for so long in our history that they may be acclimatised, as it were, and be more inclined to shrug their shoulders and let it pass.
AOG
I have a theory on this...I think that there are various shades of both Muslim and Christian devotees, and depending on their degree of (for want of a better word) 'fanaticism', will determine how much they can take a joke.
In this country, as Snafu03 has pointed out, there's a tradition of mocking not only Christianity, but all forms of authority - from Father Ted, to Yes Minster, to Blackadder, The Thick Of It etc.
I think that familiarity and knowledge of Christians has a part to play too...but let's not forget, that given the right prodding, Christians can very quickly scream blue murder, as 'Life Of Brian' and 'Jerry Springer - The Musical' proves.
I have a theory on this...I think that there are various shades of both Muslim and Christian devotees, and depending on their degree of (for want of a better word) 'fanaticism', will determine how much they can take a joke.
In this country, as Snafu03 has pointed out, there's a tradition of mocking not only Christianity, but all forms of authority - from Father Ted, to Yes Minster, to Blackadder, The Thick Of It etc.
I think that familiarity and knowledge of Christians has a part to play too...but let's not forget, that given the right prodding, Christians can very quickly scream blue murder, as 'Life Of Brian' and 'Jerry Springer - The Musical' proves.
I once watched an episode of Sex and the city - one of those harpies said something like I would never have dated him if I'd have known he was jewish - they should make them wear a sign on their forehead
When I told a colleague at work she was horrifed - but less so when I told her it was actual 'catholic' not 'jewish'
Scratch deep enough and there is a bigot in all of us
When I told a colleague at work she was horrifed - but less so when I told her it was actual 'catholic' not 'jewish'
Scratch deep enough and there is a bigot in all of us
I think the British programs makers should go all guns to include mocking not only Muslims but all other cultures that like to call the UK 'home'
This will de-sensitise them and allow them to keep their cultural heritage but not be so up tight about it. Leave the fanatism to Quatar, Iran and the suchlike. It can be done, its not like we breed the type of Christian fundamentalism as enjoyed in the Southern states of the USA.
My slogan is 'Come to UK - expect to have the pee taken' or words to that effect.
This will de-sensitise them and allow them to keep their cultural heritage but not be so up tight about it. Leave the fanatism to Quatar, Iran and the suchlike. It can be done, its not like we breed the type of Christian fundamentalism as enjoyed in the Southern states of the USA.
My slogan is 'Come to UK - expect to have the pee taken' or words to that effect.
chaptazbru
What about 'Four Lions'?
Or 'The Dictator'?
And Borat was rather successful, wasn't it?
So it's not like films mocking Muslims never get made...they just get forgotten about when the 'Muslims have no sense of humour' argument is trott...
...I've just thought of something...what kind of homegrown sitcoms do they have in the Middle East?
There must be at least some!
Abu Dahbi Fabulous?
Only Fallujas and Horses?
What about 'Four Lions'?
Or 'The Dictator'?
And Borat was rather successful, wasn't it?
So it's not like films mocking Muslims never get made...they just get forgotten about when the 'Muslims have no sense of humour' argument is trott...
...I've just thought of something...what kind of homegrown sitcoms do they have in the Middle East?
There must be at least some!
Abu Dahbi Fabulous?
Only Fallujas and Horses?
"My slogan is 'Come to UK - expect to have the pee taken' or words to that effect. "
or This it what we are about in the UK our culture our identity our heritage etc etc , if you dont like it or wont accept it then just find somewhere else thats more suited to your beliefs and cullture, but dont expect us to change to suit you and start throwing your toys out of your pram at every occasion theres something you dont like about us...
if youre not willing to accept that then please jog on
or This it what we are about in the UK our culture our identity our heritage etc etc , if you dont like it or wont accept it then just find somewhere else thats more suited to your beliefs and cullture, but dont expect us to change to suit you and start throwing your toys out of your pram at every occasion theres something you dont like about us...
if youre not willing to accept that then please jog on
That all takes time and exposure to our culture; even Americans don't get our self-mockery, taking the pee out of everything, understatement, and saying the opposite of what we mean, in our humour.
If you come from a culture, or have a cultural background, where nobody of your religion would think to make fun of it, where 'apostasy' is a serious crime, where your religious art never depicts any human form, you would find anything that we do or say which mocks religion, or its tenets, a great shock and not understand. Doesn't excuse ignorant or violent response by some, but goes some way to explaining it.
We have had people whose idea of religion or 'morality' is out of touch; Mrs Whitehouse comes to mind; and America seems to have a lot more. Let's hope that they are a diminishing minority.
If you come from a culture, or have a cultural background, where nobody of your religion would think to make fun of it, where 'apostasy' is a serious crime, where your religious art never depicts any human form, you would find anything that we do or say which mocks religion, or its tenets, a great shock and not understand. Doesn't excuse ignorant or violent response by some, but goes some way to explaining it.
We have had people whose idea of religion or 'morality' is out of touch; Mrs Whitehouse comes to mind; and America seems to have a lot more. Let's hope that they are a diminishing minority.
Well, David Leach might not agree, aog. There are anti-abortionists who cite the bible as authority for the proposition that killing an abortionist is justifiable homicide
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At at least one doctor has been so murdered. You may say that that is murder for a narrow specific reason, but it is supposedly given religious authority.
Granted that the issuing of papal orders, ordering the killing of any 'heretic' has gone out of fashion.
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At at least one doctor has been so murdered. You may say that that is murder for a narrow specific reason, but it is supposedly given religious authority.
Granted that the issuing of papal orders, ordering the killing of any 'heretic' has gone out of fashion.
It just goes to prove some ardent followers of Islam have no sense of humour. To wish death on someone who has drawn a cartoon they must have a very psychotic nature. If Islam attracts these nutters maybe we should have places where they can't harm anyone as I'm sure the regular Islamist has more sense.
Rojash, he is a former BBC employee, worked on the well respected Panorama, so if it was anti BBC what would be the point.
In my view he has a valid point, as we have seen recently regarding the private screening of a programme on Islam, which was stopped, and the new sitcom, Citizen Khan, written and starring an Asian actor, who is a Muslim. Lots of complains, about it depicting Muslims in a bad, comical light.
I only watched half and thought it mostly unfunny.
In my view he has a valid point, as we have seen recently regarding the private screening of a programme on Islam, which was stopped, and the new sitcom, Citizen Khan, written and starring an Asian actor, who is a Muslim. Lots of complains, about it depicting Muslims in a bad, comical light.
I only watched half and thought it mostly unfunny.
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