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Two Female Police Officers Shot Dead.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19635239
I'm re-posting this because I am truly ashamed of how I posted my initial thread.
I was highly emotional - perhaps no excuse? and I wish to retract my hasty and ill founded comments about fellow ABers.
I am only human and sometimes fall short of my own standards.
I'm re-posting this because I am truly ashamed of how I posted my initial thread.
I was highly emotional - perhaps no excuse? and I wish to retract my hasty and ill founded comments about fellow ABers.
I am only human and sometimes fall short of my own standards.
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Okay, I'll come 'clean' because of what I'm about to say: I'm a retired Police Officer and have been one of those who has voted against being routinely armed. That is even in light of also having been in the armed forces where I did have access to lethal weapons.
Our society has a proud tradition where our trials and tribulations regarding law and order in this country are resolved without resorting to the use of lethal force. Our Police do so by consent, are accountable to the local populations they serve, and are committed to serving their public fairly and impartially. Virtually no other Officer I ever knew subscribed to being armed. It is intimidatory to members of the public and gives an impression of hostility and unapproachability.
There is, however, a need for firearms units to respond to serious incidents where it is either known, or highly likely, that suspects are armed. Those units do undergo rigorous training although, because of the human factor, accidents have happened. Having said that I cannot defend the Jean Charles de Menezes shooting on the London Underground. Thankfully, such instances are rare, although incredibly damaging to public perception of the Police.
I know from personal experience that some people will disagree and that not all Police exude the principles expected of them by 'Joe Public'. But believe me, the vast majority are genuine in their reasons for joining the service and do actually strive to do their best for their communities.
It is a thankless job and no Officer worth his/her salt expects 'pats on the back' for just doing the job - no one forces you to join - but perhaps more of an understanding of what I can assure you is a most frustrating and almost impossible profession.
I make no apologies for my recent defences of the Police overall - apart from my crass post 'This Is What Happens To The Police' earlier - glad to see it has been removed.
Our society has a proud tradition where our trials and tribulations regarding law and order in this country are resolved without resorting to the use of lethal force. Our Police do so by consent, are accountable to the local populations they serve, and are committed to serving their public fairly and impartially. Virtually no other Officer I ever knew subscribed to being armed. It is intimidatory to members of the public and gives an impression of hostility and unapproachability.
There is, however, a need for firearms units to respond to serious incidents where it is either known, or highly likely, that suspects are armed. Those units do undergo rigorous training although, because of the human factor, accidents have happened. Having said that I cannot defend the Jean Charles de Menezes shooting on the London Underground. Thankfully, such instances are rare, although incredibly damaging to public perception of the Police.
I know from personal experience that some people will disagree and that not all Police exude the principles expected of them by 'Joe Public'. But believe me, the vast majority are genuine in their reasons for joining the service and do actually strive to do their best for their communities.
It is a thankless job and no Officer worth his/her salt expects 'pats on the back' for just doing the job - no one forces you to join - but perhaps more of an understanding of what I can assure you is a most frustrating and almost impossible profession.
I make no apologies for my recent defences of the Police overall - apart from my crass post 'This Is What Happens To The Police' earlier - glad to see it has been removed.
Damian Gorman, who is in custody for the Mark Short murder and an associate of Dale Cregan lived on Hattersley. The area should have been a place were the police should have been looking for Cregan. He would know the area and an empty house would be an obvious hideout.
It is hindsight, but I do not believe that Cregan turning up in a disused building in Hattersley was not entirely unexpected. The county's most wanted man on the loose, who was familiar with the area, you would hope that the police would be extra careful when visiting empty buildings. Apparently they were not.
It is hindsight, but I do not believe that Cregan turning up in a disused building in Hattersley was not entirely unexpected. The county's most wanted man on the loose, who was familiar with the area, you would hope that the police would be extra careful when visiting empty buildings. Apparently they were not.
Gromit,
"an empty house would be an obvious target..." "I know it is hindsight..."
"..visiting empty buildings"
Are you real? There was a 999 call made stating that there had been a burglary at a given address. It was not what the Police would call 'in progress' and therefore was considered - quite reasonably - to be a 'routine call'.
The two Officers were then dispatched, and from subsequent accounts were literally ambushed on arrival - it appears as if they either didn't even manage to get out of the car, or else they got out, were then confronted and shot in cold blood followed by a grenade being thrown just for good measure.
Now, you try convincing me that there is any way on this God's earth that this horrific incident could have been forseen?
Shall I loan you my crystal ball for future reference?
"an empty house would be an obvious target..." "I know it is hindsight..."
"..visiting empty buildings"
Are you real? There was a 999 call made stating that there had been a burglary at a given address. It was not what the Police would call 'in progress' and therefore was considered - quite reasonably - to be a 'routine call'.
The two Officers were then dispatched, and from subsequent accounts were literally ambushed on arrival - it appears as if they either didn't even manage to get out of the car, or else they got out, were then confronted and shot in cold blood followed by a grenade being thrown just for good measure.
Now, you try convincing me that there is any way on this God's earth that this horrific incident could have been forseen?
Shall I loan you my crystal ball for future reference?
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Gromit,
Really? Without wishing to sound too cynical, it also prompts me to ask: So what?
The GMP Chief Constable stated categorically that the address was not one which had come to Police notice at all.
So did you contact the Police, say, within the past few weeks to point them in Cregan's direction? You might have got £50K if you had?
jj,
An absolutely inappropriate remark. Stupid and totally unsympathetic.
Really? Without wishing to sound too cynical, it also prompts me to ask: So what?
The GMP Chief Constable stated categorically that the address was not one which had come to Police notice at all.
So did you contact the Police, say, within the past few weeks to point them in Cregan's direction? You might have got £50K if you had?
jj,
An absolutely inappropriate remark. Stupid and totally unsympathetic.
Gromit
I read this from the thread you posted:
/// Police are still looking for Dale Cregan, 29, from the Droylsden in connection with the murder. ///
/// Mr Cregan, 29, is wanted in connection with the murder of Mr Short and his son Mark, who was killed in a shooting at the Cotton Tree pub, in Droylsden, on 25 May. ///
I am a little confused about this, it has been reported that Cregan was on bail over I presume this double killing, why was he still wanted in connection with the murder?
I also wonder what made such an alleged mass killer give himself up?
I read this from the thread you posted:
/// Police are still looking for Dale Cregan, 29, from the Droylsden in connection with the murder. ///
/// Mr Cregan, 29, is wanted in connection with the murder of Mr Short and his son Mark, who was killed in a shooting at the Cotton Tree pub, in Droylsden, on 25 May. ///
I am a little confused about this, it has been reported that Cregan was on bail over I presume this double killing, why was he still wanted in connection with the murder?
I also wonder what made such an alleged mass killer give himself up?
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