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Was Nick Griffin in the wrong to tweet the home address of the 'B&B gay couple'?
Cards on the table - I think he was wrong and very misguided to do this. His tweet read:
[i]''So Messrs Black & Morgan, at (their address). A British Justice team will come up to Huntington & give you a...
''...bit of drama by way of reminding you that an English couple's home is their castle. Say No to heterophobia!''[i]
By doing this, isn't he explicitly putting this retired couple in real danger?
[i]''So Messrs Black & Morgan, at (their address). A British Justice team will come up to Huntington & give you a...
''...bit of drama by way of reminding you that an English couple's home is their castle. Say No to heterophobia!''[i]
By doing this, isn't he explicitly putting this retired couple in real danger?
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@AoG - the adage is still true though. 2 wrongs do not make a right. Posters here and elsewhere cannot defend Nick Griffins actions in tweeting the address of this couples private residence by pointing to the unredacted release of the BNP membership list on Wikileaks (leaked by a BNP supporter, as SP mentioned).
And to try and claim a false or unfair equivalence between the publication of the contact details of a business, a B&B that was breaking the law with a tweet detailing the contact details of private individuals is nonsense, especially when the tweet is accompanied by the veiled threat of "sending the boys round".
And to try and claim a false or unfair equivalence between the publication of the contact details of a business, a B&B that was breaking the law with a tweet detailing the contact details of private individuals is nonsense, especially when the tweet is accompanied by the veiled threat of "sending the boys round".
Regarding the B&B address, no one has yet admitted that they would have know the address and where it was, if it had not been splashed all over the media.
Take this scenario. 'Mr & Mrs Brown who own a B&B refused to put up a gay couple, because of their religious beliefs'.
Any one clever enough to come up with an address yet?
Perhaps one could type in Google 'Mr & Mrs Brown's B&B'
Yes that may be a way, but I wonder how many such B&Bs will come up, with the correct address?
Take this scenario. 'Mr & Mrs Brown who own a B&B refused to put up a gay couple, because of their religious beliefs'.
Any one clever enough to come up with an address yet?
Perhaps one could type in Google 'Mr & Mrs Brown's B&B'
Yes that may be a way, but I wonder how many such B&Bs will come up, with the correct address?
AOG
The reason it was splashed all over the media is because they broke the law.
Now, you may not like some laws, but if you then break those laws then you can expect to get your name in the papers.
I suspect that because you are a great admirer of Mr Griffin, you are unable to bring yourself to condemn his threatening behaviour.
The reason it was splashed all over the media is because they broke the law.
Now, you may not like some laws, but if you then break those laws then you can expect to get your name in the papers.
I suspect that because you are a great admirer of Mr Griffin, you are unable to bring yourself to condemn his threatening behaviour.
jackthehat
I am concentrating on the matter in hand Jack.
Whether or not he was wrong to divulge their addresses is a matter of an individuals opinion, and everyone has the right to their own opinions.
I am merely seeking a level playing field.
If one parties address was published why not the others, after all the couple were not found guilty of anything when their address was all over the newspapers.
And please before condemning me outright, because I have dared to present an opposite view point, please read my 11.55 post, this goes a certain way to explain my opposition.
I am concentrating on the matter in hand Jack.
Whether or not he was wrong to divulge their addresses is a matter of an individuals opinion, and everyone has the right to their own opinions.
I am merely seeking a level playing field.
If one parties address was published why not the others, after all the couple were not found guilty of anything when their address was all over the newspapers.
And please before condemning me outright, because I have dared to present an opposite view point, please read my 11.55 post, this goes a certain way to explain my opposition.
@AoG as usual, trying to defend the indefensible, and deflecting questions with weasel words.
You might think it is "just a matter of opinion" as to whether it is wrong or not to publicize a private individuals address, but I think it could actually be illegal- have to wait on the outcome of the police investigation.
Your refusal to condemn his actions is reprehensible.
You might think it is "just a matter of opinion" as to whether it is wrong or not to publicize a private individuals address, but I think it could actually be illegal- have to wait on the outcome of the police investigation.
Your refusal to condemn his actions is reprehensible.
Taking that argument as my starting point, then the newspapers are at fault for printing the address of the B&B.
However, in a British Court of Law (surely one of the bastions of which you approve?) the B&B was found to be guilty of an offence 'under British Law'.
Now, Mr Griffin spitefully publishes the address of the victims!
Would you be so approving if *all* victims of crime had their addresses published after court trials?
However, in a British Court of Law (surely one of the bastions of which you approve?) the B&B was found to be guilty of an offence 'under British Law'.
Now, Mr Griffin spitefully publishes the address of the victims!
Would you be so approving if *all* victims of crime had their addresses published after court trials?
He didn't just tweet their address, he said he would send people round to "protest"
Was he wrong yes he was totaly wrong.
His address has never been put on the net, but if the lefties turned up outside his house and "protested" hed be the first to complain.
Whether you agree or disagree. the B&B was wrong, it is a business and it entered into a contract, the fact that the couple are gay, though pertinant to the whole thing, doesn't mean there wasn't a breach.
The address of the B&B is a matter of public record as is the address of the BNP and as far as I am aware no one has advocated going around to either and protesting.
I noted that when that survey was done a couple of weeks ago 11 ABers would vote BNP I wonder who they may be and under what other circumstance they would advocate civil dis... I mean a "protest" outside and individuals home?
Was he wrong yes he was totaly wrong.
His address has never been put on the net, but if the lefties turned up outside his house and "protested" hed be the first to complain.
Whether you agree or disagree. the B&B was wrong, it is a business and it entered into a contract, the fact that the couple are gay, though pertinant to the whole thing, doesn't mean there wasn't a breach.
The address of the B&B is a matter of public record as is the address of the BNP and as far as I am aware no one has advocated going around to either and protesting.
I noted that when that survey was done a couple of weeks ago 11 ABers would vote BNP I wonder who they may be and under what other circumstance they would advocate civil dis... I mean a "protest" outside and individuals home?
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"...so if one finds an opposing argument, all one has to do so as to dismiss it is to state, "Two wrongs don't make a right"."
I rest my case!
"...so if one finds an opposing argument, all one has to do so as to dismiss it is to state, "Two wrongs don't make a right"."
I rest my case!
AOG
// If one parties address was published why not the others, after all the couple were not found guilty of anything when their address was all over the newspapers. //
You think victims of crimes should have their addresses published and that Mr Griffin was doing the community a service? I don't think you have thought that one through AOG.
// If one parties address was published why not the others, after all the couple were not found guilty of anything when their address was all over the newspapers. //
You think victims of crimes should have their addresses published and that Mr Griffin was doing the community a service? I don't think you have thought that one through AOG.
andy-hughes
http://www.theanswerb.../Question1179954.html
"...so if one finds an opposing argument, all one has to do so as to dismiss it is to state, "Two wrongs don't make a right"."
I rest my case!
Not sure what you are getting at Andy, but I visited that link again and still noticed that you have not made an appearance.
It's amazing Andy just when you think you have a few supporters around you, they then turn on you.
They are so fickle Andy, in future just don't kowtow to them, they will only stab you in the back.
http://www.theanswerb.../Question1179954.html
"...so if one finds an opposing argument, all one has to do so as to dismiss it is to state, "Two wrongs don't make a right"."
I rest my case!
Not sure what you are getting at Andy, but I visited that link again and still noticed that you have not made an appearance.
It's amazing Andy just when you think you have a few supporters around you, they then turn on you.
They are so fickle Andy, in future just don't kowtow to them, they will only stab you in the back.
Any one would think that what Nick Griffin has allegedly done or even what the B&B owner did, were the crimes of the century.
Pity some don't take the same view over recent more serious crimes, and everyone know those to which I refer, it is those that get very little response from a great number of ABers.
Referring back to what the B&B owner did, what if a large number of Gays wished to congregate on the B&B for a drunken get together, would it have been again illegal for her to refuse admittance to them, after all how many such establishments refuse to admit 'Stag Parties' or 'Hen Parties', and some caravan owners will not hire out their vans to single males?
Pity some don't take the same view over recent more serious crimes, and everyone know those to which I refer, it is those that get very little response from a great number of ABers.
Referring back to what the B&B owner did, what if a large number of Gays wished to congregate on the B&B for a drunken get together, would it have been again illegal for her to refuse admittance to them, after all how many such establishments refuse to admit 'Stag Parties' or 'Hen Parties', and some caravan owners will not hire out their vans to single males?
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