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What should Rio Ferdinand's punishment be?
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/// Meanwhile Rio Ferdinand defied his manager’s wishes by refusing to wear a T-shirt backing the ‘Kick It Out’ campaign. ///
/// But despite United kitman Albert Morgan standing at the tunnel entrance with the T-shirts, Ferdinand refused and warmed up before yesterday’s game against Stoke in his normal United training top.///
/// Ferguson stated: “We are disappointed Rio didn’t wear it.
“Every player in the country should have adhered to the PFA request.
“He has let us down. We will deal with it, don’t worry about
that.” ///
/// Meanwhile Rio Ferdinand defied his manager’s wishes by refusing to wear a T-shirt backing the ‘Kick It Out’ campaign. ///
/// But despite United kitman Albert Morgan standing at the tunnel entrance with the T-shirts, Ferdinand refused and warmed up before yesterday’s game against Stoke in his normal United training top.///
/// Ferguson stated: “We are disappointed Rio didn’t wear it.
“Every player in the country should have adhered to the PFA request.
“He has let us down. We will deal with it, don’t worry about
that.” ///
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It's a T-shirt, the act in itself is a zero event. What bothers me about it is that (as far as I know) Rio has not said why he did not wear it, and I listened to an interview with Jason Roberts and he couldn't really come up with a coherent answer as to what his problem is or what Kick It Out, FA, PFA, etc should be doing differently apart from general 'not doing things properly' statements. There were things in the JT case that could have been handled differently but ultimately he was found guilty by the FA and he will be associated with racism for the rest of his life.
There is still racism in Britain - and of course that includes football - and it sickens me sometimes, I have 'ethnic' friends and once even a long-term girlfriend (I am white) so I know it happens and there isn't really much you can do about it in 'public' but football is, to a certain degree, a controlled environment where it should be possible to ensure that non-white individuals are not subject to abuse because of the colour of their skin. But they need to come forward with more than just mutterings and non-wearing of T-shirts if anything is to change to their liking because I, and probably those at KIO, are not sure exactly what the problem is.
There is still racism in Britain - and of course that includes football - and it sickens me sometimes, I have 'ethnic' friends and once even a long-term girlfriend (I am white) so I know it happens and there isn't really much you can do about it in 'public' but football is, to a certain degree, a controlled environment where it should be possible to ensure that non-white individuals are not subject to abuse because of the colour of their skin. But they need to come forward with more than just mutterings and non-wearing of T-shirts if anything is to change to their liking because I, and probably those at KIO, are not sure exactly what the problem is.
// John Terry encouraged to take up anti-racism role by Kick it Out chairman Lord
Lord Ouseley wants Chelsea captain John Terry to play a prominent role in football's battle against racism.
"The point is that if Nelson Mandela can emerge from all of his years in prison and shake the hands of the people who incarcerated him, then we should welcome any help from John Terry, not ostracise him." //
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Sounds like an organisation that has lost its way. Maybe Lord Ouseley is part of the problem. He certainly sounds woolly.
Lord Ouseley wants Chelsea captain John Terry to play a prominent role in football's battle against racism.
"The point is that if Nelson Mandela can emerge from all of his years in prison and shake the hands of the people who incarcerated him, then we should welcome any help from John Terry, not ostracise him." //
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Sounds like an organisation that has lost its way. Maybe Lord Ouseley is part of the problem. He certainly sounds woolly.
THECORBYLOON
/// It was okay for Fergie to refuse to speak to the BBC for years which was in breach of the contract the Premier League has wi broadcasters but if someone goes against his orders it's a different matter. ///
This was a personal matter because a BBC documentary made allegations against his son, Jason, and under Premier League rules, Ferguson incurred a fine every time he refused to speak to the BBC.
So why shouldn't Rio Ferdinand also be punished?
/// It was okay for Fergie to refuse to speak to the BBC for years which was in breach of the contract the Premier League has wi broadcasters but if someone goes against his orders it's a different matter. ///
This was a personal matter because a BBC documentary made allegations against his son, Jason, and under Premier League rules, Ferguson incurred a fine every time he refused to speak to the BBC.
So why shouldn't Rio Ferdinand also be punished?
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sp1814
/// Please, please, please try to do me the courtesy of actually answering my question, as I have politely done for you (your post of 14:17 wasn't really an answer, more of a circumvention. ///
As regards doing you the courtesy of actually answering your question, you ask that many that I thought I had covered some in my rather lengthy answer I gave you, but I can't help it if my answers do not meet with your satisfaction.
/// Should Ferdinand be punished, and if not, why did you ask 'what his punishment should be'. ///
My answer is still this, which was the last paragraph in my 14.17
post.
But yes if he is guilty of refusing to obey his Manager's and Club's request, then yes he should be punished, but how that is a matter for Ferguson.
Then you introduced yet another question,
/// Do you not think my question about the footballers refusing to back the anti-homophobia campaign is valid here? ///
No I do not think it is valid here for the following reasons 1/ It's got nothing to do with my original question and 2/ Simply because I have no knowledge of any anti-homophobia campaign, so it would be wrong to make any decision on it, one way or another.
Regarding this additional question from you.
/// Is this one of those occasions where you may have 'posted in haste, and now are free to regret at leisure'. ///
The answer is certainly not, and now I hope you will content yourself with my answers because I cannot spend 24/7 hovering over my keyboard just in case you may throw yet another question at me, especially any that i have already answered.
And remember sp there are other ABers who deserve answers, not only you.
/// Please, please, please try to do me the courtesy of actually answering my question, as I have politely done for you (your post of 14:17 wasn't really an answer, more of a circumvention. ///
As regards doing you the courtesy of actually answering your question, you ask that many that I thought I had covered some in my rather lengthy answer I gave you, but I can't help it if my answers do not meet with your satisfaction.
/// Should Ferdinand be punished, and if not, why did you ask 'what his punishment should be'. ///
My answer is still this, which was the last paragraph in my 14.17
post.
But yes if he is guilty of refusing to obey his Manager's and Club's request, then yes he should be punished, but how that is a matter for Ferguson.
Then you introduced yet another question,
/// Do you not think my question about the footballers refusing to back the anti-homophobia campaign is valid here? ///
No I do not think it is valid here for the following reasons 1/ It's got nothing to do with my original question and 2/ Simply because I have no knowledge of any anti-homophobia campaign, so it would be wrong to make any decision on it, one way or another.
Regarding this additional question from you.
/// Is this one of those occasions where you may have 'posted in haste, and now are free to regret at leisure'. ///
The answer is certainly not, and now I hope you will content yourself with my answers because I cannot spend 24/7 hovering over my keyboard just in case you may throw yet another question at me, especially any that i have already answered.
And remember sp there are other ABers who deserve answers, not only you.
sandyRoe
/// AOG, that chap who ran out and gave the goalkeeper a clip around the ear, was he just overheated and couldn't control his actions? ///
That was a different matter entirely and I suspect that you already know so.
That was a matter of physical assault, committed by a member of the crowd, who had no right to invade the field of play.
He apparently has now been recognised and I hope that he is given the full penalty for the crime that he has committed.
/// AOG, that chap who ran out and gave the goalkeeper a clip around the ear, was he just overheated and couldn't control his actions? ///
That was a different matter entirely and I suspect that you already know so.
That was a matter of physical assault, committed by a member of the crowd, who had no right to invade the field of play.
He apparently has now been recognised and I hope that he is given the full penalty for the crime that he has committed.
I am still at a loss as to exactly what it is that AoG and some other commentators here think that Rio Ferdinand should be punished for.
The kick it out campaign is organised by a charity. It has no legal force. The FA, who support it, do not insist that it is mandatory for professional footballers to wear the T-shirt.
Like a free vote in parliament on sensitive issues , whether you comply or not with wearing the T-shirt should be down to your individual conscience, and in Ferdinand and other high profile black players cases, they obviously felt unable or unwilling to seem supportive of something that they presumably think is not doing as much as it could.
That is fair enough, and it is entirely their right, as adults living in a democracy to do this.
The reason this is an issue at all is because Ferguson took it on himself to criticize Jason Roberts for his stated intention not to wear the T-shirt , then stated that all Man United players would be. So he took it on himself to act as a kind of moral arbiter for professional football.
The only grounds i can possibly see for punishing Ferdinand is if Ferguson had asked him whether he was going to be wearing the T-shirt or not prior to those public statements by Ferguson and if Ferdinand had said yes. Then Ferguson might have a case. Otherwise, this amounts to Ferguson being embarassed by putting his own foot in his mouth.
The kick it out campaign is organised by a charity. It has no legal force. The FA, who support it, do not insist that it is mandatory for professional footballers to wear the T-shirt.
Like a free vote in parliament on sensitive issues , whether you comply or not with wearing the T-shirt should be down to your individual conscience, and in Ferdinand and other high profile black players cases, they obviously felt unable or unwilling to seem supportive of something that they presumably think is not doing as much as it could.
That is fair enough, and it is entirely their right, as adults living in a democracy to do this.
The reason this is an issue at all is because Ferguson took it on himself to criticize Jason Roberts for his stated intention not to wear the T-shirt , then stated that all Man United players would be. So he took it on himself to act as a kind of moral arbiter for professional football.
The only grounds i can possibly see for punishing Ferdinand is if Ferguson had asked him whether he was going to be wearing the T-shirt or not prior to those public statements by Ferguson and if Ferdinand had said yes. Then Ferguson might have a case. Otherwise, this amounts to Ferguson being embarassed by putting his own foot in his mouth.
LazyGun
/// I am still at a loss as to exactly what it is that AoG and some other commentators here think that Rio Ferdinand should be punished for. ///
It all amounts to discipline, like all disobedient children who don't abide by their parents reasonable requests, they need to be set an example of.
In Ferdinand's case he also refused to adhere to his bosses and the PFA request to wear the T/Sugar, so like the disobedient child he also needs chastising.
/// I am still at a loss as to exactly what it is that AoG and some other commentators here think that Rio Ferdinand should be punished for. ///
It all amounts to discipline, like all disobedient children who don't abide by their parents reasonable requests, they need to be set an example of.
In Ferdinand's case he also refused to adhere to his bosses and the PFA request to wear the T/Sugar, so like the disobedient child he also needs chastising.
It all amounts to discipline, like all disobedient children who don't abide by their parents reasonable requests, they need to be set an example of.
In Ferdinand's case he also refused to adhere to his bosses and the PFA request to wear the T/Sugar, so like the disobedient child he also needs chastising.
What The Funicular is all that drivel about?
Rio is not a child, it is not his parents that he is disobeying.
request
request
request
Take a look at ...request in the dictionary AOG.
In Ferdinand's case he also refused to adhere to his bosses and the PFA request to wear the T/Sugar, so like the disobedient child he also needs chastising.
What The Funicular is all that drivel about?
Rio is not a child, it is not his parents that he is disobeying.
request
request
request
Take a look at ...request in the dictionary AOG.
"It all amounts to discipline, like all disobedient children who don't abide by their parents reasonable requests, they need to be set an example of.
In Ferdinand's case he also refused to adhere to his bosses and the PFA request to wear the T/Sugar, so like the disobedient child he also needs chastising."
But he is not a child. He is an adult. He lives in a democracy. The wearing of the T-shirt is not FA-Mandated.To equate a conscientious objection from an adult in a free society with that of a disobedient child is just facile.We are all allowed to follow our conscience in a democracy.
In Ferdinand's case he also refused to adhere to his bosses and the PFA request to wear the T/Sugar, so like the disobedient child he also needs chastising."
But he is not a child. He is an adult. He lives in a democracy. The wearing of the T-shirt is not FA-Mandated.To equate a conscientious objection from an adult in a free society with that of a disobedient child is just facile.We are all allowed to follow our conscience in a democracy.
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