Should we even treat people like this on the NHS?

[youngmafbog]

Apart from getting the weight of that is?

This is now getting rediculous. People still starving in the world and yet we have these monsters.

Dont get me wrong, I am no slim jim but getting to this size then expecting others to pay dearly for your actions is becoming nuts and needs to stop.

http://www.thesun.co....o-scan-fat-Brits.html

[Zeuhl]

<so you don't think African women in any part of Africa can be obese? >

em, sorry but which part of

<African women in Africa are much less likely to be obese than westerners>

don't you understand?

Statistically, obesity is much higher in north and central america and parts of europe than in africa

women in sub saharan africa do have a physiology that includes large buttocks as discussed above - frequently on women who are otherwise quite skinny as it is quite different from obesity.

[owdhamer]

Sorry woof I am a bit tired,the girl was going out side for a smoke against all the regs and advice ,she looked close to death but was having a smoke anyway, is there any point in treating people who wont try to help them selves.

[237SJ]

You can`t lump Africa together as all one nation anyway. For example, the people in Nigeria are a completely different build to the people in SA or Tanzania. Black South Africans are quite slightly built and shorter, while the people in Nigeria are taller and larger overall. I`m not sure what`s shown in the newspapers but from travelling there, no you don`t see the obesity you see here. Do don`t see it in most parts of the world. I was in Brazil a few weeks ago and it occurred to me on the way back to the airport that I had only seen one "fat" person the whole time I was there (even though their diet is cheese and meat laden). They just don`t stuff their faces with the junk that people here and in North America do.

[LazyGun]

It does seem wrong that we have to have specially reinforced ambulances, specially constructed wide beds,have to use equipment normally reserved for large animals for a small number of individuals who are so obese that normal equipment will not do. The temptation is to turn them away until they have lost enough weight to use existing equipment.

Start imposing arbitrary rules like that though, and you are moving very much into "nanny state" territory - if you impose rules for this type of patient, it would not be too much of a stretch to deny treatment based upon a patients smoking or drinking habits, for example.

At the moment, procedures and treatments are based upon clinical judgement. Generally I think that should remain the preferred option, apart from areas like transplant surgery, where organs are scarce, and the waiting list is much greater than the available organs.

[friedgreentomato]

These are human beings not monsters!!!!!

[woofgang]

owdhammer, with great respect, that lady might have been at a stage in her life when smoking or not smoking would not have made even a second's difference to her life expectancy and might have given her some fleeting comfort.....
My mother in law was allowed to go outside smoke when she was an in patient. It wouldn't have made any difference and did comfort her. Her cancers weren't cigarette related, not that it makes a difference.
If I had been there and heard an NHS employee threaten her with cessation of her treatment, I would have made a complaint, it is not the business of a smoking cessation employee to police treatments.

[dave50]

Stop treating the obese along with drug addicts as victims, they are not. They choose to start eating too much or take drugs, they should reap what they sow and not expect us mugs to pay for them to sit on their idle back sides all day or pay for any treatment on the NHS.

[woofgang]

okay then lets stop treated pregnant women (who choose to be pregnant) and sports injuries (because people choose to play sports)

[friedgreentomato]

I have a disability that has great
Y restricted my movement because of that I have put on loads of weight are you saying I should no longer be treated?

[Le Chat]

I do too friedgreentomatoes but have no intention of putting on mounds of weight which would exacerbate my condition as well as making me psychologically a lot worse when looking in the mirror. I just eat less.

[Sqad]

Le Chat.......well done....that is positive thinking.