Teenagers chased by policewoman who died escape jail and only made to pay costs of £42.50.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.telegraph....ail-over-mugging.html

What kind of message does this give out, not only to other potential mobile phone thieves, but more importantly, to the family of this poor policewoman? Neither of the two apologised for this woman's death.

170 iPhones are stolen across London every day Police said a total of 56,680 mobile phones were stolen in the capital in the six months between April and September this year — and half of those were iPhones.

Wouldn't a more stricter sentence have gone a long way to get the message over that this kind of crime will not be treated lightly?

http://www.dailymail....tolen-London-day.html

[joko]

douglas... i mean the effects on their future life... the problems it can bring, the things denied them because of it - they will not care about that yet - quite simply because it wont affect them yet...

[FredPuli43]

Juveniles, first offence, impulsive theft, not a robbery,admitted offence have prospects in life; seems about right.

Just think aog, but for the death you'd have known nothing about this perfectly sensible 'disposal'. Shoplifting occurs all over London, too. We should jail first offenders to put out the message that that prevalent crime of theft will not be tolerated, regardless of the offender or circumstances, no doubt

[bazwillrun]

"Is it likely the accused thought there was even the risk of injury to the WPC let alone death? "

but if decent sentences were dished out then perhaps other little scumbag toerags might think more about the effects their crimes may cause.

[Gromit]

Totally agree Baz,
For example, speeding motorists should go down for a very long time.

[Duncer]

It was unfortunate to have happened when it did, but blaming the thieves for her death is barmy.

........so, is it also barmy to blame a train guard for the death of a drunken drug taking sixteen year old in Liverpool?

[THECORBYLOON]

He was guilty of manslaughter through gross negligence. The cause of the WPC's death is unknown but if there was an underlying medical condition, there is a possibility of its happening at any time. With the death of the student, there was negligence involved and it could have been prevented.

[Duncer]

Yeah, but not drinking under age and taking drugs.

[THECORBYLOON]

For all the guy knew, she could have been unwell and not drunk. The fact is he was not doing his job properly and was negligent. The jury had all the facts and evidence to consider and they said he was guilty.

[Duncer]

No mention of the guilt of those that sold a sixteen year old drink or drugs.

[THECORBYLOON]

If he had not telt the driver it was safe to go, she would not be dead.

[Duncer]

If she wasn't off her tits on drink and drugs she would be alive. I do not disagree that he was negligent, nor was she, but four years was very harsh. I know guys serving assault to severe injury and permanent disfigurement who got just two years. Their assaults were pre-meditatated and intentional.

[Gromit]

It is very stupid to send a train off when someone drunk is using it to keep upright. Getting drunk is not clever, but millions do it every weekend. When you are drunk you can be unsafe to yourself which is why you depend on people paid to protect you to do their job properly. He did not do his job and someone died. The severity of the sentence was because he did not fail in his job through negligence or failing to see her, but because he wilfully endangered he life probably through impatience.

What all that has to do with a policewoman dying of an undiagnosed medical condition is beyond me.

[THECORBYLOON]

The assaults may have been pre-meditated but I do not know the circumstances and there was not a death involved. As has been said the case of the WPC and the student are completely different. I am sure that if there were any chance of further charges being pressed, the CPS would have done something about it by now.

[Duncer]

"It is very stupid to send a train off when someone drunk is using it to keep upright. Getting drunk is not clever, but millions do it every weekend. When you are drunk you can be unsafe to yourself which is why you depend on people paid to protect you to do their job properly. He did not do his job and someone died. The severity of the sentence was because he did not fail in his job through negligence or failing to see her, but because he wilfully endangered he life probably through impatience."

It was, but he probably put up with this sort of crap for years, not that that excuses him. However, she must bear responsibilty for her drug taking and excessive drinking, but nobody mentions that. I don't for one minute suggest that she deserved to die, but she was stupid and irresponsbile, as well as in control of her own actions. Are we becoming a nanny state where we have to escort home every drunken aresehole? Finally, the judge said that he did not "wilfully" endanger heer and that he could not have foreseen her death. He was negligent. That is not comparable with thugs who batter people senseless andmget lesser sentences.

[naomi24]

Theft is not to be condoned, and I do think punishment should be harsher, but it's ridiculous to suggest that these people should receive a sterner judgement than they otherwise would because their pursuer died. What do you suggest to prevent such an occurrence in future, AOG? Guidelines for thieves? Don’t run away in case your pursuer dies trying to catch you?

[ummmm]

"as well as in control of her own actions."

Clearly not!!

Not everyone goes out with he intention of getting bladdered. One drink too many and hitting the fresh air.

[bazwillrun]

It was shown to the court on the CCTV that the girl was still in contact with the train when the guard gave the all clear for the train to move off.

He couldnt see if she was drunk, un well, or maybe had an article of clothing caught in the doors, but he gave the all clear whilst a person was in contact with the train and so the train moved off.

Its all about consequences, cause and effect.

And to the speeding drivers reply, yes they should be punished more severely. perhaps if people in charge of a ton or more of metal travelling at speed thought about what the consequences of hitting someone are then perhaps they may not be so inclined to speed if the sentences were more severe it may also help to dissuade them.

People are causing death by virtue of the way they drive and the sentences in most cases seem to be pathetic and derisory.

[Zacs-Master]

Lets get a little perspective here, The sixth-form college student, from Moreton, Wirral, was three times the legal drink-driving limit and had 0.083mg of the drug mephedrone, or Mcat, in her system at the time of her death. This does not in any way excuse the actions of the guard but it was more than 'one drink too many and hitting the fresh air'.

[anotheoldgit]

Mick-Talbot

/// When you see poster after poster disagree with your position AOG, does it ever make you sit back and think...... "I could be wrong on this one" ? ///

No since this is mainly a left-wing site, it is not unusual that my opinions and thoughts are opposite to many on here.

Then there is the factor that there are some on here such as yourself who introduce absolutely nothing constructive to the debate, but whose main purpose is solely to criticize.

[Mick-Talbot]

Criticise